Italian built
 

Hi to the Betasom team,

Any chance that perhaps you guys will be doing old style ships like the cruiser San Giorgio at Tobruk or ships that are Italian built like the Giorgios Averoff or the Thai cruiser Naresuan (w/c became the Italian cruiser Etna)?

Just wondering,
Mountbatten

Re: Italian built
 

I have reported your suggestion to ours excellent but absent author 3D.
Hi
Willy
;)

Thanks very much Willi
 

Really looking forward to anything Betasom builds. You guys are great!

Right now I'm making do with the Kent type cruisers for the Averoff - they're actually a pretty close match - and if it were possible to just add four secondary twin turrets and redo the superstructure of the Kent...

Here's hoping,
Mountbatten

san Giorgio is in my heart ;)

sister sister
 

Well, hope to see it sailing sometime. The Greek armoured cruiser Averoff was the sister ship of the Italian cruisers Pisa and Amalfi. Right now I'm just using the Norfolk to stand in for it but it doesn't have those four 7.5 twin turrets.

Hoping for some of those sweet old school ships someday!

Mountbatten

Capitan Romani Class
 

Are these in the works? Which present ships would be a good looking substitute for these would you think?

Many thanks,
Mountbatten

Italian built
 

Here are some great views of these fine Italian built warships:

http://warships.web4u.cz/lode.php?la...TRA&trida=Trad

I was thinking if you guys were already doing Ariete perhaps a version of the Ariete with no turrets just guns would be similar to Trad.

Also the design of the Etna/Naresuan class is quite similar to the Capitan Romani.

http://warships.web4u.cz/lode.php?la...CLA&trida=Etna

Kudos on the Gabbiano! That's a sweet boat!

Mountbatten

Re: Italian built
 

Just installed it into my DC folder and really looks amazing.

I have one question though. There are many UDF's which seem to be all exactly the same except for one field:

Flag= 1,2,3 and so on up to 9.

What does this mean?.

By changing this Flag parameter you can change nationality of the ship. The model would fly the colors of the country which correspond to values 1.2.3 etc. Try it. Historically, after 09.43 some Gabbiano corvettes were taken over by Kriegsmarine and became German T class, after the war some became French, others - Soviet ships (WW2 reparations). It's one of the great features of SH2/DC - customization.

Hey, ask Mountbatten, should he have time he can do magnificent repaints the ships. He could make you German T out of Italian Gabbiano :rock:

Thanks for the plug Bruno and yes I can (would love to!) do a repaint of the Gabbiano if you'd give me the colors or samples. I'm actually planning to use the old Gabbiano (DC version) as the German Vorpostenboote - I know should have a longer slimmer funnel - and I got a few new things kicking around in the cruiser category, repaints all though.

Mountbatten

I had tried only in the viewer and there I could see no changes.

After setting up a quick mission in the game itself, now I've realised that penant numbers change with every different UDF, but not the flag itself: they're all waving Italian flag.

@Mountbatten

Sure.
Here is wartime Gabbiano in color
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/3...bbiano1.th.jpg
Another Gabbiano
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/1...bbiano3.th.jpg
Yet another
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/7...bbiano2.th.jpg

These are color schema for NTP Orsa. Yet the same colors were applied to Gabbiano as well.
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2...hema2yx.th.jpg

Here are color schema in color using NCL Scipione Africano (Class Capitani Romani)
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/6...fricano.th.jpg

and now NCL Duca D'Aosta
http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/6...aDAosta.th.jpg

This is German WWI veteran T class in Mediterrenian camo. T-3 actually
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/3214/T3.th.jpg

Here's German starndard German T in the North Sea camo 'Kondor' and 'Falke'. Vorpostenboote should be in the same colors. Lots of them were just converted peacetime fishers. ;)
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2148/Color3.th.jpg

Cheers,
Bruno

O Mamma mia! What is that in my scope - Italian built?
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/2627/Aquila08.th.jpg
:huh:

A previews of Orsa... in progress:

http://www.rucolaman.supereva.it/orsabeta.jpg


With the Orsa for example, changing the flag you can change the name of ship:

Orione, Orsa, Procione, Pegaso

;)

PS: we are not in Betasom anymore :roll:


www.forum.maricosom.net

:|\

Oh Mamma Mia! Looking good, veeeeery good!
http://scosoft.com/s/Action/5f7de8e2.gif

Vorposten done
 

I'll do the ratty rusty one as the Vorpostenboot and use your camo for the T version.

Thanks very much Bruno,
Mountbatten

RE: 'll do the ratty rusty one as the Vorpostenboot...
:up:

Here are another ones for your inspiration. Former Yugoslavian Masor and Marjan converted by Germans as Minenshiffe - Minelayers and Minesweepers operating in the Adriatic Sea.

Masor:
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/2492/Masor.th.jpg

Marjan
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/1503/Marjan.th.jpg

Former Yugoslavian Leader Dubrovnik - in German service - TA 32

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/9...nikTA32.th.jpg

Former Yugoslavian DD Beograd, then Italian Sibenico, and finally German TA 43
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/9...radTA43.th.jpg

Man TA32 looks suspiciously like a British destroyer hehehe... looks like another incarnation for NDDA.

Mountbatten

As the story goes, when Yugoslavian Navy establishment allocated money for a new leader they initially approached French, as French were renown for their ships built for Mediterrenian theater. Yet Yugoslavians wanted on their destroyers Check guns (I do not know why they would thought that Scoda (land-locked country) was good in Naval artillery. They were undeniably good in building tanks though). French said no. They would built everything top-notch but according to their own specifications - from keel to the last bolt. Then Yugoslavians approached British. The British answered - you want us to install those guns or you would install them yourselves? So, eventually Leader Dubrovnik was another incarnation of British Naval ship building...Well, when Germans took it over they installed their own naval guns.

That solved it I guess... so I guess that 'this is a job for - NDDA!' Well Skoda works did pretty good artillery and I guess, being a part of the former Austro-Hungarian empire they were just more familiar with Skoda guns. Should do a pack - the German British looking ex-foreign destroyers: ZG3 Hermes, TA32... by the way, this is standard German camo colours? For the TA's I mean?

Mountbatten

Just thinking out loud...

Would it be possible to modify this lovely vessel...

http://www.voodoo.cz/battleships/pic...plan%20col.jpg

... into this one?

http://www.oksenate.gov/senate_artwo...s_oklahoma.jpg

Change the masts into tripods, put the secondaries into the superstructure and take away one funnel...

Just thinking out loud,
Mountbatten