Is it illegal to copy/paste thread users sub pictures
 

Ive been copying alot of your guys Sub pictures you have, in threads and have myself a very cool desktop screen to look at. :rock: The pictures are cool. Then again if i start getting acused of being like a sea wolfs staff memeber i will happily delete them. :lol:

I dont really think so. unless you try to sell them!!

well at least I dont think it is illegal...If some one used my screen shots for a desk top or in forums I could care less

The nice this to do would be to ask first :)

I agree with gdogghenrikson.

I personally couldn't care a less if someone used my screenshot as a wallpaper on their desktop.Most of the time once I post the screenshot here on the forum I delete it off my computer anyhow.I used it for what I needed it for and have no further use for it.Only the rare occasion do I actually keep any of them.

If you place anything on the internet - you are releasing it into the public domain.

In copyright protection law - "If you are placing your "prior art" into the public domain without conditions, you are letting go control of that "prior art" and also, therefore any protections you think or perceive it may have had."

Filing a copyright case against someone who stole an image you placed into the public domain, would be too costly and too difficult to defend to be realistic.

Anyone placing images or anything onto the web must assume that they are giving it away...unless conditions are clear ( i.e. license agreements in demo or other software).

Anyone using those images will perceive they have been placed into the public domain - so are free for public use.

Those who are careful know how to protect their "intellectual property rights" - and simply will NOT place their "Prior art or invention disclosures" into the "PUBLIC DOMAIN".... this includes images.

An example of an image placed into the public domain with proper protection conditions ...is a trademark.

I got a great idea !

Ill copy alot of the pictures posted here and on the offical forums and put them into a photo album.

Ill call it See Boats and try to sell it for 49.99 ! :-j

Oh wait someone has already thought of that... never mind.

c0smic1 i like your image. McBeck i like yours as well but chose not to copy it cos its has "member of the Dev team" which im not. Im just after sub pictures, im not going to display them somewhere else on the net or make out they're mine. I just like having lots and lots of pictures of subs :) I even put a title on the top "Subsim.com"
I got heaps of SH3 shots ive taken when playing the game, then when roaming the subsim threads and seeing all the cool images i thought this would go down as a cool desktop if i start collecting them. Although my family hates it, cos i always turn the icons off to get a better view :rock:

placing a photo on the internet does not mean it is being placed in the public domain... to assume that can be a costly mistake...


--Mike

I got a better idea. I got Paint shop Pro9 its about the closest image editor to making cool images i have. Im gonna make my own image :rock: maybe a cut down version of one of my SH3 shots. And then i'll put on my profile.

LMAO :-j

hmmmm

just to clarify

The definition of public domain is as follows...

"A creative work, invention or logo that is available for use without permission from its owner. This occurs after patent, trademark or copyright protection has expired."

Therefore if it hasnt been Patented - Trademarked or Copyrighted you cannot prove ownership of the prior art, so there is no protection, real, perceived or otherwise.

Therefore it's in the "public domain"

I am no lawyer, but:

The definition that you state has nothing to do with whether an item is free because its on the 'net or not.

"Available for use without permission from its owner" seems to be your stumbling point. The phrase does not mean that since it is readily available to you, on the internet, it therefore is not copyrighted.

All sorts of current things are readily available to view - books, songs, designs. But that has nothing to do with public domain.

If you tried to contest that in a court room you would have to prove "ownership of the prior art"

If you couldnt - you're dead before you begin the case.

That is why if you want to protect your "prior art" you must have proper protections in place.

If those proper protections are not present - anyone could use it - and you would have to prove ownership.

A case like that simply wouldnt get filed. An IPR protection or Patent Attourney simply wouldnt waste their, and the companies time

ever hear of watermarking...

or better yet, having the original, with a datestamp on it...

also... this has nothing to do with patents... ever hear of intellectual property rights... no, then look here...

ref http://www.intellectual-property.gov...protection.htm

now you can believe what you want to, in the light of, or in spite of the facts... but if you want to actually know what you are talking about, there are reams of information concerning this topic all over the net...

if you were ever dragged into a court of law, as you touched upon above, because you took someone's intellectual property and used it without their permission, you'd wind up loosing...

--Mike

They'd still have to prove ownership of the prior art - damned difficult to defend without the proper protections.

come on now c0sm1c... how hard is it to prove that you made a piece of art...

take for instance, that picture i just posted of SSN23-Jimmy Carter, in another thread... http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=41613

do you seriously think i'd have any problems proving that i was the original creator of that pic... and that you were not...

in a court of law, the only proper protection i would need would be proof that i created a work in order to injunct you from further use, and to pursue you for relief of incidental damages...

--Mike

What "PROOF" ?

you want proof... what about the sub in the screenshot for instance...

it had to come from somewhere in order to be in that photo...

the judge is gonna ask you... 'do you you happen to have a sub that looks just like the one in the picture anywhere around your pc... anywhere...'

and you're gonna stand there with a blank expression on your face... you'll shift your feet a lil bit... reach in your pockets... hoping that a sub will magically appear in one of em...

... but it won't.

then, i'll show em the development work i did to make the sub... the picture of the final sub on my hard disk... the one with a date stamp on it...

and then the judge will look your way... shake his head... and find you guilty of theft of intellectual property...

for starters...

and you will finally realize what i am trying to explain to you...


--Mike

Oooh I dont want proof specifically -- I 'm just discussing this.

Proof points, before a case is filed, have to be very strong and with supportable evidences given...

Firstly you need to prove ownership -- with what you have there is all circumstantial with no "proper protections" validating claims.

Secondly that probably wouldnt get filed properly and end up in some minor "Arbitration court" as it would be just one persons word against another.

In order to properly validate a claim anyone wishing to copyright their work, giving it the "proper protections", would seek good practitioners in that field of work - Not disclose it before filing, otherwise you place it in the public domain.

Those chosen to practition your "Prior art" would be required to sign non-disclosure agreements first - making a perfect audit trail of events, independent of yourself, validating your claim to ownership.

If your work has strong independent evidences those are proof points adding strength to claim of ownership.

Just saying you own it isnt enough --- date and time stamps using IT systems can be maliciously altered - no Attourney worth his "Silk" would base a case on that.

The world of IPR protection is complex.

It's the same if I was to invent something and I told you about it prior to filing a patent -- YOU could claim ownership of my idea.

Reason??? -- I placed it into the public domain before putting the "proper protections" in place. :arrgh!:


hot yippidee dawg.

Just to throw in my tuppence worth.

I don't know if this is the case with subsim.com but i remember reading that some internet forums claim sopyright for what we write on them. I'm at work so i can't spend the time looking at the mo. Heck, i shouldn't be using t'internet at all.