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mapuc 10-13-22 09:44 AM

The tears you see on my face is crocodile tears
 
Who would cry tears on this guy Alex Jones. If any tears it would be crocodile tears.

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A Connecticut jury has found that conspiracy theorist Alex Jones must pay $965 million to several family members of those killed in the Sandy Hook school shooting for spreading lies that the shooting was fake.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alex-...b03e8038c52b11

I have nothing against people who believe in conspiracy-What I'm against is when they hurt people like Alex did.

Markus

Ostfriese 10-13-22 09:48 AM

Yeah, and in preparation he has already declared his company bankrupt, and another company (also in his possession) has taken over.


And of course he hasn't learned anything, now it's the deep state that wants to silence him.
Amazingly enough there are still more than enough idiots around who believe him.

Gilbou 10-13-22 09:49 AM

Almost a billion.


That's quite a huge amount :doh:

mapuc 10-13-22 10:48 AM

A Danish newspaper had an issue about this on their FB-wall and someone wrote in the comment.

This court have killed free speech. My reaction when I read it :nope:

It had nothing to do with free speech what Alex said in all his program about this school shooting.

What could be said about Alex and free speech is that he violated it.

Free speech comes with responsibility

Markus

Jimbuna 10-13-22 10:59 AM

I doubt anyone will see a single dollar.

Platapus 10-13-22 03:24 PM

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from the consequences of your speech.

Otto Harkaman 10-13-22 11:19 PM

anything you say can and will be used against you

Platapus 10-14-22 04:18 PM

Freedom is being able to tell your wife that it is not the jeans that makes her butt look big


Wisdom is knowing not to do that. :up:

Buddahaid 10-14-22 08:28 PM

Just to be clear.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The asshat was sued for his lawful exercising of his free speech right. He wasn't arrested for saying it.

MaDef 10-15-22 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 2832475)
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from the consequences of your speech.

True, but me thinks this verdict skates pretty close to the edge of that "slippery slope".

ET2SN 10-15-22 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDef (Post 2832694)
True, but me thinks this verdict skates pretty close to the edge of that "slippery slope".

How? He was mocking the parents of children who died in a school shooting.
Parents he had never met and did not know. His actions caused those parents to get death threats from his listeners.

If that isn't "the bottom of the barrel", its pretty close. :yep:

Platapus 10-15-22 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDef (Post 2832694)
True, but me thinks this verdict skates pretty close to the edge of that "slippery slope".


I don't see any slippery slope here at all.



No one is arresting him. No one is preventing him from saying what every he wants to say. He is just being held accountable for what he says.

Skybird 10-15-22 06:04 AM

Words somebody says, trigger actions, cause motivations, make people do things and form decisions.

Its like with ideology and why I strictly oppose some - namely Islam - of them: because of their motivational power and the dangeorus stuff they try to motivate for.

You are free to say what you want. He did. Now he is held accountable for what he said, due to the consequences he triggered or helped to support by his words. Because I agree with the need to confront the consequences caused and the actions that took place. I see them as a serious threat to the common good, and in the end: freedom itself. This imo justfies to hold him accountable for what he helped to support.

MaDef 10-15-22 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ET2SN (Post 2832695)
How? He was mocking the parents of children who died in a school shooting.
Parents he had never met and did not know. His actions caused those parents to get death threats from his listeners.

If that isn't "the bottom of the barrel", its pretty close. :yep:

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 2832710)
I don't see any slippery slope here at all.



No one is arresting him. No one is preventing him from saying what every he wants to say. He is just being held accountable for what he says.

Alex Jones may be a nut-job, but even nut-jobs have a right to speak their minds.

This is just the "next step" for the "cancel culture" ideal, next it will become illegal (criminal) to express certain views in public (such as it is in Sweden, Germany & the U.K.).When you start censuring people for their opinions everybody looses, where do you draw the line?

Buddahaid 10-15-22 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDef (Post 2832745)
Alex Jones may be a nut-job, but even nut-jobs have a right to speak their minds.

This is just the "next step" for the "cancel culture" ideal, next it will become illegal (criminal) to express certain views in public (such as it is in Sweden, Germany & the U.K.).When you start censuring people for their opinions everybody looses, where do you draw the line?

Ridiculous. He can continue saying these things all he wants and continue to be sued for doing it. He was sued by pivate citizens whom he had caused damage to. No different than suing someone for slander or causing damage to your property.

mapuc 10-15-22 11:41 AM

Of course there are free speech in many countries, where USA is one of them.

I also know that beside having this free speech you have also a responsibility for what comes out of your mouth.

Alex should have when the first report of death threats against some of these parents have stopped right there.

In fact he so to say in his weekly speech encourage his followers to continue.
(This is taken from a Danish news paper, who had an article some month ago)

The verdict should have been prison-Cause he has no possibility to pay such a huge amount.

Secondly.
I hope they get these listerne who have sent death threats to these parents.

Sending death threats has nothing to do with free speech.

Markus

Dowly 10-15-22 12:03 PM

I encourage everyone in need of a good laugh to go watch videos of the trial. Especially the one's with Alex Jones giving testimony. It's comedy gold. :haha:

Jimbuna 10-15-22 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly (Post 2832752)
I encourage everyone in need of a good laugh to go watch videos of the trial. Especially the one's with Alex Jones giving testimony. It's comedy gold. :haha:

True that :)

MaDef 10-15-22 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2832749)
Ridiculous. He can continue saying these things all he wants and continue to be sued for doing it. He was sued by pivate citizens whom he had caused damage to. No different than suing someone for slander or causing damage to your property.

Which part? the fact that crazy people should be able to speak their minds? Or the Idea that the "cancel culture" is making inroads into curtailing "free speech"?

Buddahaid 10-15-22 05:19 PM

The part where you can't separate the government repressing free speech from a civil suit for damages.


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