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Gargamel 10-31-14 01:50 PM

Another Commercial Space disaster, this one manned
 
Virgin galactic just reported they lost SpaceShip 2, manned with 2 pilots. Their status is unknown at this time, but chutes were sighted over the Mojave.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/vir...t-test-n238376

Gargamel 10-31-14 01:53 PM

CHP is now reporting 1 fatality, 1 major injury.

Oberon 10-31-14 01:53 PM

Damn...hope that the crew made it out alright.

Dread Knot 10-31-14 01:57 PM

From space rush to sage brush. A lousy week for space travel. :dead:

http://media.turnto23.com/photo/2014....0_640_480.PNG

Oberon 10-31-14 01:57 PM

Damn, that's bad news. May he RIP and I hope the other one recovers.

Wolferz 10-31-14 03:15 PM

:timeout:VG ain't virgin no more.

Platapus 10-31-14 07:42 PM

We can only hope that Justin Beber will have the first ride. :D

Oberon 10-31-14 08:00 PM

:hmmm:


:nope:

Cybermat47 10-31-14 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 2257199)
We can only hope that Justin Beber will have the first ride. :D

Don't you think it's a bit too soon to be joking about this?

d@rk51d3 10-31-14 11:16 PM

Never too soon for Bieber.

razark 10-31-14 11:28 PM

Sad, but it's not unexpected. Flight testing has never been and never will be risk free.

I just hope that this week's incidents won't put to big a drag on commercial space programs.

ikalugin 11-01-14 12:20 AM

I guess suborbital flight still counts as space flight.

Betonov 11-01-14 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ikalugin (Post 2257232)
I guess suborbital flight still counts as space flight.

It's a gradual process.
Gone are the times when America and Russia built a huge single use rocket and blasted things directly into space.
Virgin Galactic is developing a ''space plane'' that can fly up there, not ride a booster rocket like the shuttle. To eventually move things into orbit with half the fuel of a shuttle or Soyuz needed.

ikalugin 11-01-14 03:32 AM

I think that you still need to reach orbit in order to deliver anything there.

Meaning that the current space plane by Virgin has very little value apart from getting tourists into "space".

That said, maybe some one will make a working space plane, there were many projects (including ones by USSR/Russia) but so far all of them failed.

Example:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...С%29.png

Cybermat47 11-01-14 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d@rk51d3 (Post 2257227)
Never too soon for Bieber.

Fair enough :D

Stealhead 11-01-14 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ikalugin (Post 2257244)
I think that you still need to reach orbit in order to deliver anything there.

Meaning that the current space plane by Virgin has very little value apart from getting tourists into "space".

That said, maybe some one will make a working space plane, there were many projects (including ones by USSR/Russia) but so far all of them failed.

Example:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...С%29.png

The US Air Force and NASA also experimented with such concepts during the early days of the space race. The original concept was for a spy type platform that would fly a "skip" pattern later they had the idea also to put nuclear bombs on them. Of course all this never went beyond the conceptual stage.

A Wikipedia page on the program.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-20_Dyna-Soar

I had not heard of it until reading a book on the development of the Space Shuttle which can to some extent at least trace it linage to this concept. Of course it was a German scientist who first had the idea the goal to make a bomber that could reach the US again of course it never went past the paper stage.

Of course this concept is workable in theory and I can see why it is popular again as it is a cheaper alternative.I think the primary issue as you said is that the craft must enter actual orbit to deliver something else in orbit and I doubt this concept can achieve that without costing the as or more than a more traditional method.

Platapus 11-01-14 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cybermat47 (Post 2257226)
Don't you think it's a bit too soon to be joking about this?

Good question.

Let me look at the United Nations Permanent Commission on When Humour is Appropriate after Accidents (UNPCWHAA). According to the Borat Agreement signed in Kazakhstan in 2006, my comment was just inside the acceptable time frame.

So no, not too soon. :D

Good question though. :up:

Oberon 11-01-14 09:51 AM

Will have to bear that in mind the next time one of NASAs manned craft explodes. :yep: :salute:

Need Another Seven Astronauts.

Jimbuna 11-01-14 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 2257350)
Good question.

Let me look at the United Nations Permanent Commission on When Humour is Appropriate after Accidents (UNPCWHAA). According to the Borat Agreement signed in Kazakhstan in 2006, my comment was just inside the acceptable time frame.

So no, not too soon. :D

Good question though. :up:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2257365)
Will have to bear that in mind the next time one of NASAs manned craft explodes. :yep: :salute:

Need Another Seven Astronauts.

Can we call this one a draw?

eddie 11-02-14 05:48 PM

Looks like they were warned about the unstable fuel they were using,

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/vir...say/ar-BBcAgZ9


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