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Tribesman 08-27-14 03:10 AM

Is it a Darwin?
 
A rather unfortunate place to be standing

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/...ctor/14594549/

HunterICX 08-27-14 03:26 AM

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"You can't give a 9-year-old an Uzi and expect her to control it," Scott said.
No Scott, you can't give any kid a gun and expect him/her to control it.
I really don't care how well your instructors handle guns with kids, kids shouldn't be handling guns. They don't have the physical strenght to handle guns, don't have the sense of responsibility for it and to begin with they don't need them.

Betonov 08-27-14 03:35 AM

Definitely Darwin.
I wish the gun would just hit him in the head without a bullet coming out though.

And a Baboon congresional medal for idiocy beyond for actions beyond and above the call of sanity for the parents.

Tribesman 08-27-14 04:20 AM

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I really don't care how well your instructors handle guns with kids, kids shouldn't be handling guns. They don't have the physical strenght to handle guns, don't have the sense of responsibility for it and to begin with they don't need them.
I don't agree.
Some guns are not like other guns and can be handled fine, and some kids are not like other kids when it comes to sense of responsibility.
As for need, kids don't need a skateboard either.

HunterICX 08-27-14 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 2236775)
I don't agree.
Some guns are not like other guns and can be handled fine,

Yes, they're called Toy guns or Airsoft Guns.

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and some kids are not like other kids when it comes to sense of responsibility.
No kid is the same but the fact remains that they are kids and don't give things that require more thought exactly that.

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As for need, kids don't need a skateboard either.
Well a skateboard won't blow a hole in someones head.

Wolferz 08-27-14 05:10 AM

Kids can be taught to respect firearms for what they are and what they do.
If you have firearms in your home, teaching them is the right thing to do to quell their inquisitive nature. Naturally, you keep things locked up tight when you're not around to supervise. If you do give a kid a gun, it should match their size. My wife's grandfather gave her a little .22 saddle rifle when she was six and he taught her how to hunt with it. Those lessons came in handy when she hit her teen dating years and a boy took her out to the woods to try and scare her. In the end, she wasn't the one who was scared.:haha:
That little rifle is in our gun cabinet still. Along with two .303's, several shotguns and a revolver. She knows how to use them all if the need arises.:yep:
No, I ain't skeered. I even gave her cast iron cookware.:D

ETR3(SS) 08-27-14 05:13 AM

Irresponsible on the part of the parents and the range. But unfortunately someone had to die to make that point. :nope:

I believe that if you're going to maintain firearms in your house, it is your responsibility to educate your children about them.

Wolferz 08-27-14 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ETR3(SS) (Post 2236783)
Irresponsible on the part of the parents and the range. But unfortunately someone had to die to make that point. :nope:

I believe that if you're going to maintain firearms in your house, it is your responsibility to educate your children about them.

And keep the firearms and ammo locked up and unobtainable. That alone might have saved all those kids at Sandy Hook.:-?

If you put a sub-machine gun in the hands of a little girl, you deserve to get shot.

Jimbuna 08-27-14 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by HunterICX (Post 2236771)
No Scott, you can't give any kid a gun and expect him/her to control it.
I really don't care how well your instructors handle guns with kids, kids shouldn't be handling guns. They don't have the physical strenght to handle guns, don't have the sense of responsibility for it and to begin with they don't need them.

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Originally Posted by Betonov (Post 2236773)
Definitely Darwin.
I wish the gun would just hit him in the head without a bullet coming out though.

And a Baboon congresional medal for idiocy beyond for actions beyond and above the call of sanity for the parents.

Rgr that.

Tribesman 08-27-14 05:55 AM

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Yes, they're called Toy guns or Airsoft Guns.
What about a.22LR or even a .410?
Suitable for handling by young ones.

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No kid is the same but the fact remains that they are kids and don't give things that require more thought exactly that.
I agree in this case, an uzi on full auto is beyond the thought requirement here, but it doesn't apply in all cases.

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Well a skateboard won't blow a hole in someones head.
It can, skateboards can be bloody dangerous for the user and bystanders.

HunterICX 08-27-14 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 2236797)
What about a.22LR or even a .410?
Suitable for handling by young ones.

Like a Uzi....:yeah:

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It can, skateboards can be bloody dangerous for the user and bystanders.
But they're not designed to inflict damage on others or objects.

Just saying it's bad enough that people hurt themselves or others with guns by accidents...save kids the trouble of having shot themselves, brother/sister or others in an accident and let them be kids. Introduce them to guns at an appropriate age.

Oberon 08-27-14 09:37 AM

http://i.imgur.com/o7RSOes.jpg

Tribesman 08-27-14 09:41 AM

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Like a Uzi....:yeah:
nothing like an Uzi.

Wolferz 08-27-14 11:11 AM

I let my sister in law fire my twelve gauge one time and she spun around in a full circle with the thing. Fortunate enough for myself, my brother and her brother, it was a single shot weapon. If it had been an auto, she'd have likely killed all three of us.:huh: I'm talking a grown woman with some excessive weight issues. After seeing that episode, I would never in my right mind place an automatic weapon in the hands of any female I had not seen firing the weapon properly beforehand.:doh:

Oberon 08-27-14 11:23 AM

Children are quite capable of operating automatic assault rifles, see:

http://www2.ravenscroft.org/media/mu...ld_soldier.jpg

Rockstar 08-27-14 12:04 PM

http://dantefw.files.wordpress.com/2...s_02.jpg?w=646


http://seriousfacts.com/wp-content/u...win-Awards.jpg

vienna 08-27-14 12:34 PM

It's not just girls and women. Some guys have a difficult time handling weapons. In high school, I was in the Junior Army ROTC and they took us to an Army firing range to let us squeeze off a few rounds with an M-16. One guy failed to keep a good grip and his rifle flew up out of his hands and over his head, landing behind him. Another guy fired, got turned around and ended up standing there In a dazed state with his weapon pointing at one of the regular Army range instructors. Our Army instructor leapt forward and knocked the rifle to the ground. The range instructor had been standing there holding a cup of coffee in his hand. I'll never for get the look on his face when he saw that barrel pointing at him nor will I forget how that coffee cup shook in his hand before it fell to the ground...


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Sailor Steve 08-27-14 01:13 PM

I've seen the same thing. forty-five years ago this month I was in boot camp. One of the things we had to do was shoot a standard Colt M-1911 .45 calibre pistol. We were all sitting on a small bleacher waiting our turn as five recruits at a time took theirs. One guy seemed to be panicked at that idea, but nobody really noticed. When he was told to "extend and fire" he pointed the gun forward, closed his eyes and turned his head to the right, at the same time pointing the weapon to his left. The guy to the left of him let out a yell and rather than duck simply held his pistol alongside his head like a shield. The instructor seemingly flew through the air, landed on the recruit and deftly plucked the pistol out of his hands, and told him "you go pick up shell casings."

vienna 08-27-14 02:18 PM

Just wanted to add: very little has been said in the news reports regarding the possible psychological effects on the 9 year old girl. Aside from the horror of seeing what a gunshot wound to the head can do, she now has to live with the fact something she participated in resulted in her taking a human life. I foresee some very heavy therapy ahead for the poor child. I hope she comes through this with as minimal amount of psychological damage as possible...


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CaptainMattJ. 08-27-14 03:18 PM

The only person i feel bad for is the 9 year old girl, who now has to live with herself because some idiot with the foresight of a potato didnt realize that a 9 year old girl (who probably never even fired a gun before) has no business firing anything, really. We dont let kids do certain things until a certain age for a reason. A 9 year old girl with zero experience has NO chance of controlling an uzi once it goes full auto. I wouldnt even trust an adult with an uzi unless they have had extensive experience with it.


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