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Red October1984 06-26-14 11:24 PM

How a $500 car beat $400k Rally Racers
 
I love this story. :smug: Makes me want to go buy a cheap-o car and enter Rally America or something.

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Betonov 06-27-14 12:56 AM

Well, he did buy the one BMW that was (almost) built as a rally car when it drove off the line :)

Red October1984 06-27-14 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Betonov (Post 2219862)
Well, he did buy the one BMW that was (almost) built as a rally car when it drove off the line :)

True....but still. A self-taught sort-of mechanic just buys a car and manages to enter WRC.

I found out that there's a Rally America race not more than 3 hours northwest of me at Salem, MO. I missed the 2014...but hopefully I'll see if I can't go to the 2015 100 Acre Wood Rally.

There's also some sort of Regional Championship Rally about 45 minutes north of me. It's still TBD so I haven't missed it this year. :arrgh!:

None of this is WRC...but it's local...and it's awesome.

Betonov 06-27-14 01:58 AM

Buy an Audi Quattro, the old one, the kind that raced in B-group rally.
And a good comic, you'll be bored waiting on the finish line :03:

Jimbuna 06-27-14 05:11 AM

You could always do it 'differently'.

Young driver Jack Cottle drove friends onto race circuit for prank
He got onto Brands Hatch track in Kent while laughing and joking
Cars can clearly be seen in the video racing past the driver's vehicle
Prank meant VW Beetle race, which crowds had flocked to, was stopped

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ddle-race.html

Wolferz 06-27-14 07:39 AM

That's REAL racing...
 
None of that multimillion dollar commercial team crap. Just a man and his car.:up:

Schroeder 06-27-14 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Betonov (Post 2219872)
Buy an Audi Quattro, the old one, the kind that raced in B-group rally.
And a good comic, you'll be bored lying in the coffin. :03:

Fixed that for you.:88)

Betonov 06-27-14 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder (Post 2219926)
Fixed that for you.:88)

Ah, the reason they banned B-group :oops:

Red October1984 06-27-14 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Betonov (Post 2219872)
Buy an Audi Quattro, the old one, the kind that raced in B-group rally.
And a good comic, you'll be bored waiting on the finish line :03:

I actually found a 1987 5000CS Turbo Quattro for sale not too far from here. $4750

Course, I'll need to pay for suspension, tires, skid plate and an FIA roll cage...so it'll come to a little more than $5K.

Wolferz 06-28-14 05:58 AM

We know that you definitely need a "roll" cage, Red. :03::O::D

Herr-Berbunch 06-28-14 06:07 AM

I used to love pulling up on my £3k bike next to cars that cost £60k+ and leaving them behind. :D

Jimbuna 06-28-14 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolferz (Post 2220162)
We know that you definitely need a "roll" cage, Red. :03::O::D

Naughty...but nice :)

Stealhead 06-28-14 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Red October1984 (Post 2219961)
I actually found a 1987 5000CS Turbo Quattro for sale not too far from here. $4750

Course, I'll need to pay for suspension, tires, skid plate and an FIA roll cage...so it'll come to a little more than $5K.


More than likely been dogged out and probably needs about 4 grand in work just to get into shape for even amateur rally.

Trust me German cars from the 80's can have nightmare electrical issues especially ones that where sold in the US.I have seen guys get so angry they simply took a sledge hammer and smashed the car up.You have to find someone that really knows Audis look at that car even before you buy it.

Used to own a 86 BMW M3 in Germany great car but it had some pesky electrical bugs I never worked out. The worst are VW Scirocco a 1985 of that particular make was the one that got bashed by the sledge hammer.

Red October1984 06-28-14 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolferz (Post 2220162)
We know that you definitely need a "roll" cage, Red. :03::O::D

Maybe then I'll have a car indestructable enough. :)

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2220173)
Naughty...but nice :)

Fair enough. :03:

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Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 2220333)
More than likely been dogged out and probably needs about 4 grand in work just to get into shape for even amateur rally.

Was watching a video that was an hour long interview with a Team O'Neil driver, a Rally Mechanic and another enthusiast about how to get into rallying. The driver and mechanic said that the best way to start out is to enter Rallycross races. You don't need anything special to enter those. They said that if you wanted to try one, a popular thing to do is go to the Enterprise Rent-A-Car place or somewhere similar, rent a car and pull the ABS fuse out. Just replace it when you're done and you don't have to pour thousands of dollars into a fancy car.

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Trust me German cars from the 80's can have nightmare electrical issues especially ones that where sold in the US.I have seen guys get so angry they simply took a sledge hammer and smashed the car up.You have to find someone that really knows Audis look at that car even before you buy it.

Used to own a 86 BMW M3 in Germany great car but it had some pesky electrical bugs I never worked out. The worst are VW Scirocco a 1985 of that particular make was the one that got bashed by the sledge hammer.
If I was going to make a buy like that, I'd definitely have a mechanic look at it up, down, left, right and backwards. A Turbo Quattro would be awesome though. If any of you guys have one sitting around, I have been in the market for a new car since January. :O:

Stealhead 06-28-14 10:48 PM

I'd be very careful doing such things in/to a rental car.If they figure out they have you by the balls.These days they really track that stuff some can tell when you exceed the speed limit and will pop you with an extra charge.Just have to come up with a good story if you crash I guess and also buy the full rental insurance.

Back in the 60's Hertz actually had a special version of the Shelby GT350.People often actually would rent them weld in a roll cage and race them at SCCA events.When they where done they'd remove the roll cage and turn the car back in.

Another popular thing was for a Mustang owner to rent a Hertz GT350 and remove the better parts from and swap them out on their formerly less impressive ride.

Normally after so many miles the Hertz 350s where returned to Ford and sold at dealerships after getting refurbished.

Soon enough cars will be like tractor trailers(or the 96% that have qualcom) and they will know everything you do in the vehicle,speeding,fueling.In fact that is what that thing from Progressive does.

An even better starter car would be a Volvo 240 from the late 70's into the 80's good cars and tough as nails.Possibly one of the best cars of the time period.

Red October1984 06-29-14 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 2220383)
I'd be very careful doing such things in/to a rental car.If they figure out they have you by the balls.These days they really track that stuff some can tell when you exceed the speed limit and will pop you with an extra charge.Just have to come up with a good story if you crash I guess and also buy the full rental insurance.

They did say to make sure you get the rental insurance. :yep: That'd be something I'd take as a given. If you can, make sure you can cover your hind end.

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Back in the 60's Hertz actually had a special version of the Shelby GT350.People often actually would rent them weld in a roll cage and race them at SCCA events.When they where done they'd remove the roll cage and turn the car back in.

Another popular thing was for a Mustang owner to rent a Hertz GT350 and remove the better parts from and swap them out on their formerly less impressive ride.
:rock: Those GT350's though...they were nice. I'd love to drive one of those someday.

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Soon enough cars will be like tractor trailers(or the 96% that have qualcom) and they will know everything you do in the vehicle,speeding,fueling.In fact that is what that thing from Progressive does.
There's absolutely nothing about that that's okay. :dead:

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An even better starter car would be a Volvo 240 from the late 70's into the 80's good cars and tough as nails.Possibly one of the best cars of the time period.
There's nowhere around here I would find a nice Volvo... Nowhere within 2 hours probably. It's already hard to find VW, Audi, Saab, Infiniti, or any of these other kinds of manufacturers. Around here, if you don't drive a Ford, Chevy (and GMC), Toyota, Jeep, Nissan or Mazda...people are going to wonder what planet you're from.

Stealhead 06-29-14 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Red October1984 (Post 2220395)
There's absolutely nothing about that that's okay. :dead:

Hmmm 50/50 if you ask me.If someone did in fact drive like a complete dingbat they deserve what they get.I do not think a private vehicle even if it did speed such information should be given to the law.However if they are routinely exceeding the speed limit they do deserve to pay a higher insurance premium as they are in fact a higher risk simple truth is the faster you go the less time you have to react thus the higher the likelihood that an accident will occur.


As to the rental insurance there surely is a clause that says that racing and other types of driving actives are not allowed or covered. You can own a WRX STI but if you drive it like a rally car your warranty and insurance probably will not cover it.

Red October1984 06-29-14 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 2220416)
Hmmm 50/50 if you ask me.If someone did in fact drive like a complete dingbat they deserve what they get.I do not think a private vehicle even if it did speed such information should be given to the law.However if they are routinely exceeding the speed limit they do deserve to pay a higher insurance premium as they are in fact a higher risk simple truth is the faster you go the less time you have to react thus the higher the likelihood that an accident will occur.

Well, let's say after a DWI or too many tickets we can do something like that...but not in every car for everyday driving.


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As to the rental insurance there surely is a clause that says that racing and other types of driving actives are not allowed or covered. You can own a WRX STI but if you drive it like a rally car your warranty and insurance probably will not cover it.
Well, don't tell them then. :O:

em2nought 06-29-14 05:34 PM

Shared this on my friend's facebook page, his WRX STI engine has been in the process of being repaired at a shop for the last four years. :o

Red October1984 06-30-14 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by em2nought (Post 2220603)
Shared this on my friend's facebook page, his WRX STI engine has been in the process of being repaired at a shop for the last four years. :o

Mechanics always look for ways to screw you over... :O:


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