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Oberon 03-07-14 07:38 PM

Malaysia airlines B777 missing
 
http://ning.pinkfroot.com:81/images/...oto:292694.jpg

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MEDIA STATEMENT released at 7.24am/8 Mar 2014 MH370 Incident

Sepang, 8 March 2014: Malaysia Airlines confirms that flight MH370 has lost contact with Subang Air Traffic Control at 2.40am, today (8 March 2014).

Flight MH370, operated on the B777-200 aircraft, departed Kuala Lumpur at 12.41am on 8 March 2014. MH370 was expected to land in Beijing at 6.30am the same day. The flight was carrying a total number of 227 passengers (including 2 infants), 12 crew members.

Malaysia Airlines is currently working with the authorities who have activated their Search and Rescue team to locate the aircraft.

Let's hope it's a maintenence fault that's caused loss of communication...but it doesn't look promising. :nope:

CCIP 03-07-14 08:10 PM

:(

Hoping for the best!

Here is the flightaware log for this flight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS370

Oberon 03-07-14 08:17 PM

Looks like the track ends over land, that increases the chance of finding something, even if it's just...well... :nope:

CCIP 03-07-14 08:30 PM

Yeah, and it also ends right at cruise level (where the plane just got) and full speed, so whatever it was, it seems rather sudden.

krashkart 03-07-14 08:37 PM

No bueno. :hmmm:

CCIP 03-07-14 08:51 PM

Also worth pointing that this plane can't simply "disappear" because of a small fault. No ADS-B, no SSR, no ACARS, no radio comms - slim chances all of those would go off from a maintenance fault (even a major one) without alarm immediately being raised, and it should've been also on radar where it was.

CCIP 03-07-14 09:03 PM

Updates from the airline: http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/e...dark-site.html

The most recent update effectively confirms that the aircraft went down :(

krashkart 03-07-14 09:26 PM

No bueno. :(

swamprat69er 03-07-14 09:51 PM

Not good at all.

CCIP 03-07-14 09:53 PM

meanwhile, the BBC has a terrible taste in choosing their front page ads :/\\!!

http://i.imgur.com/drPNcbH.jpg

fireftr18 03-07-14 09:55 PM

Prayers for the families. :wah:

Oberon 03-07-14 10:00 PM

Dang, and at cruising altitude it does not bode well for survivors, not that miracles don't happen, but the odds are against it.
It'll be the first 777 to be lost whilst at altitude, the other hull-loss incidents have all been on landing or on the ground. If there was no indication of trouble before loss of contact then it must have been a massive structural failure...deliberate or otherwise.

Unfortunately Flightradar24s coverage has the aircraft contact lost half-way between Malaysia and Vietnam, in the sea:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...34814062_o.jpg

There should be a press conference shortly.

GoldenRivet 03-07-14 10:07 PM

for starters, as great as flight aware is, its not always that accurate. I have reviewed flights of my own that have suddenly zigged out into then ext state when i canceled IFR or flight following. Other times i have seen places where my route just completely stopped tracking (usually with a change from one ARTCC to another ARTCC while en route) giving the appearance that my flight vanished at cruise altitude.

I wouldnt jump to the conclusion that just because the flightaware.com route ends at a specific point that this is an accurate indication as to where the aircraft went down.

We can observe one thing though, it theoretically reached cruise altitude.

In that region of the world i would assume volcanic ash to be a culprit if there was recent volcanic activity (speedbird 9 anybody?)

another culprit, especially in the 200 series would be the un-commanded turbine rollback. however its unlikely as it should have been fixed through service bullitins and Airworthiness Directives requiring installation of fuel pump heaters if i remember correctly.

Super cooled water/ice formation which overwhelmed the aircraft's anti-ice de-ice systems a la Air France a few years ago could be to blame.

or an act of terrorism is always to be considered.

that said, it is rare that a plane crashes in the cruise phase of flight unless some sort of mid-air collision or major mechanical malfunction takes place. As these crashes tend to occur during takeoff or approach/ landing.

Im sure updates will begin to stream in soon as search efforts proceed.

Madox58 03-07-14 10:10 PM

We probably all know where it is. We just don't want to be the one to say it first.

GoldenRivet 03-07-14 10:12 PM

with luck, they encountered volcanic ash which overwhelmed the engines and they ditched intact and we get a "miracle on the hudson" event

CCIP 03-07-14 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet (Post 2183170)
for starters, as great as flight aware is, its not always that accurate. I have reviewed flights of my own that have suddenly zigged out into then ext state when i canceled IFR or flight following. Other times i have seen places where my route just completely stopped tracking (usually with a change from one ARTCC to another ARTCC while en route) giving the appearance that my flight vanished at cruise altitude.

I wouldnt jump to the conclusion that just because the flightaware.com route ends at a specific point that this is an accurate indication as to where the aircraft went down.

Yeah, definitely. Both flightaware and flightradar24 rely on volunteers with receivers to get their data, in this case ADS-B data, and so often they'll only track the aircraft as far as those receivers (which are mostly consumer-level hardware) and publically-available data will allow. They also can only track flights with filed plans and their software assumes that the aircraft is flying as filed.

That rough map location seems reasonable though, because reports say the plane never contacted the Vietnam ARTCC.

And I am concerned because even with engines out or other similar failures, at least one of their communication systems should've given a report. Even Air France 447 was sending automated ACARS reports as it was going down (though there was no engine failure there, to be fair). The fact that nearly 7 hours after losing contact the airline still didn't know where the aircraft was is very troubling to say the least.

Madox58 03-07-14 10:21 PM

I'd think there were so many Eyes on flights in that area of the Globe that someone has a pretty good clue.
:hmmm:

Admiral Halsey 03-07-14 11:05 PM

How long can the bird stay in the air fully fueled? If nothing is heard from her when that time is up THAT'S when you should really start worrying.

CCIP 03-07-14 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Admiral Halsey (Post 2183185)
How long can the bird stay in the air fully fueled? If nothing is heard from her when that time is up THAT'S when you should really start worrying.

Well for one, it's unlikely to have been fully fueled - doesn't make sense economically (carrying extra fuel makes you burn more fuel), and usually airlines plan fuel carefully and have very good tools for getting it loaded right. Typically you just have the required fuel, plus 1 hour (or a little more) in reserve.

The last MAS statement was more than 4 hours after the flight was scheduled to arrive in Beijing and more than 8 hours after lost contact. It would be on the ground by now one way or another.

CCIP 03-07-14 11:13 PM

Huh, latest statement from the airline includes...

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There has been speculation that the aircraft has landed at Nanming. We are working to verify the authenticity of the report and others.
I wouldn't bet too much on it, but it is a glimmer of hope in a dim situation at least :(


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