Drummer Lee Rigby killer appeals
 

I'm absolutely astounded this individual is planning an appeal when he has yet to be sentenced because the judge is obviously awaiting the go ahead to give a 'whole-life' sentence :nope:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25961430

I suspect this is all about the lawyers gravy train, they will milk this for every penny they can screw out of the taxpayer. :hmph:

Commence operation torch and pitchfork!

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/m...euno1_5001.jpg

Done. :yeah:

Agreed...there is one clear winner (the legal eagles) and one clear loser (the taxpayers).

In that case he should be tried by a military tribunal and imprisoned for the duration of the war (which in this case probably means forever). Or, since he was not in uniform, he should be shot as a spy.

Agree 100%, but that's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too easy. How are the judges and lawyers going to work overtime?:down:

His appeal is very unlikely to find a friendly ear in a British court. His arguments fail on several of the International Humanitarian Law which protects parties not engaged in combat and the wearing of distinguishable uniforms by combatants. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter...manitarian_law

His lawyers should be whacked for contempt of court for a frivolous appeal. But that won't happen either. :roll:

Sadly, I think you will be proved correct :shifty:

Ok then, let's see the records of when you declared war on some random person. You don't have any? Enjoy your life sentence then.

The 'religion' of peace...

While Islam does have some problems, let's not judge all Muslims by the actions of two extremists. Plus, the problems that Islam has are basically identical to the problems with Christianity, and my parents didn't kill me when I lost the faith :)

I would tend to agree, but I've been around the world and this simply isn't the case. Here in America, you have folks that come here and preach tolerance about Islam and such, when Islam itself is an intolerant ideology and is wholly incompatible with Western civilized society.

Well, I think that varies from person to person. My Mum once got a pamphlet from a Muslim which had a quote saying 'If a Muslim sees a Hindu in danger and does not help him, I will no longer consider that man my brother'. But I do agree with you to an extent. It certainly does seem that there are more Islamic extremists than in many other religions. The most notorious Christian extremists, Westboro Baptist Church, just whine about homosexuality, while Muslim extremists have killed thousands.

Almost all religions and ideologies are intolerant in some form.

What's your definition of Western Civilised society? To some Saudi Arabia is a "Western civilised society".

I think that's because most people in the west don't really care about religion any more, if this had taken place 1000 years ago we'd be having this conversation over a dead Muslim somewhere in Jerusalem, but we moved on, advanced socially and technologically, and expected the rest of the world to catch up to us, some did, some didn't.
I'd wager that in another 1000 years, religion will be completely different to how it's practiced now, heck, it might even be banned under an atheist government, who can say? But Christanity has just as much blood on its hands as Islam, and most of the other religions, because at the end of the day the religion is just an excuse used by people to kill other people, and there's no shortage of other reasons to use if you don't want to use religion.

I agree that not all Muslims are onethesame, but nevertheless it is an outdated, surreal mindset where in what seems to be far more cases than not, a complete intolerance for anything other than Islam. In this country, there's a political ideology that is for things such as atheism/secularism and gay/women's rights and such whom disparage Christians and other religions with the sole exception of Islam because they're 'misunderstood and persecuted'.

The funny thing is, with Turkey being one of the few exceptions, in other Muslim countries, there are NO gay rights and few women's rights. Gays are executed and women are treated as property, which seems very hypocritical to me in regards to the aforementioned ideology. Christians don't do any of the such, but we welcome those folks here and then they insist we respect their illogical and incompatible thinking? That doesn't sit well with me. I've been in several Muslim countries and have seen a lot of this with my own eyes...if I went there and started preaching that they had to be tolerant of my Christian beliefs, I'd be thrown in the stockade or worse.

Christianity indeed does have blood on its hands, but the crusades were centuries ago, and religious growth abroad petered out in the successive centuries. Islam, on the other hand, is spreading rapidly throughout Europe and the West due to social programs and the West's tolerance. It's also spreading into areas that have had traditional religions such as Buddhism for thousands of years and causing serious conflicts.

If there's a hot spot in the world, more than likely it's because of Islam. I truly feel Islam is one the greatest dangers posed to civilized society today and in the future. It will not stop until it has infiltrated every society from within and uniting the world under a flag of Sharia law.

I've been to Saudi Arabia, and it's a fundamentalist society with no other rule of law than Sharia law. Sharia Law is incompatible with American society because it goes against our constitution. I'm not certain about you folks down under, but as for here...it's inherently dangerous. No religion in the world has more blood on its hands than Islam, and you can take that to the bank.

So you're either unaware of or ignoring the pogroms and the Spanish Inquisition all actions initiated in the name of Christianity and with death tolls far in excess anything Islamic.

Can you quote numbers to substantiate your take to the bank claim?

Or are you only talking about modern history in which case you may not have heard of the past two centuries of European warfare which was in part religiously motivated particularly that little scrap we call WW2. Or the 400 odd intervening years of interdenominational warfare.

Don't get me started on Iraq or Afghanistan...

Your bank balance is looking slim. :roll:

The Thirty Years War and the French Wars of Religion called, they would like a word...

Actually this thread isn't so bad for it.


Not quite.

EDIT - Wrong link!

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/21/wo...-law.html?_r=0