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Jimbuna 04-29-13 03:59 PM

Why such a big deal?
 
I honestly don't see why this story merits coverage on a major/reputable news site in this day and age.

I doubt he's the first and won't be the last so what gives?

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US basketball player Jason Collins has come out as gay, the first active male athlete in a major American professional team sport to do so.
He declared his sexuality in an article for Sports Illustrated, announcing: "I'm a 34-year-old NBA center. I'm black. And I'm gay."
Collins said he had struggled with his sexuality for years.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22341153

Tchocky 04-29-13 04:28 PM

Right there in the article. He is the first.

It's a big deal.

NeonSamurai 04-29-13 04:50 PM

For the LGBT community it is a pretty big deal. In the world of athletics (which is lets face it, macho male driven), gay athletes have had to stay in the closet or risk losing everything (career, endorsement opportunities, etc.). They can also be at risk to attacks by anti-gay people/groups.

By coming out during an active career he is taking a big chance, even in this day and age. As many of my LGBT friends would say, things really haven't changed all that much, there is still a ton of hatred and oppression going on out there in the real world.

nikimcbee 04-29-13 04:56 PM

I blame our Victorian upbringing.:dead:

Sailor Steve 04-29-13 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NeonSamurai (Post 2048907)
By coming out during an active career he is taking a big chance, even in this day and age. As many of my LGBT friends would say, things really haven't changed all that much, there is still a ton of hatred and oppression going on out there in the real world.

I'm old enough to remember the time when he couldn't even have played in a major league sport, not for being gay but for being black. I hope it works out well for him, and that it allows more people to be themselves.

u crank 04-29-13 05:21 PM

I think this guy will definitely open the door for others. Good for him.

The pro sports leagues will also make sure that they are on side.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3062518.html

Ducimus 04-29-13 05:29 PM

This was front page news on CNN. Call my crazy, but I don't think anyone's sexual orientation is newsworthy, let alone be on the front page. I could care less if Johnny, Joe, or Jimbob packs it up the poopchute or not. I really don't care about peoples personal decisions that have no bearing on my own life, liberty, etc etc.

The fact that this sort of thing is in the news, speaks volumes about the media, and quite possibly the people they pander to.

Takeda Shingen 04-29-13 05:33 PM

There's a pretty big anti-homosexual component among athletes, particularly in the NBA. So, yes, I think it is newsworthy that a player has come out as openly gay.

GoldenRivet 04-29-13 05:38 PM

It's not a big deal

Being gay isn't special anymore - because so few people really care... you may as well come out of the closet as a cat person.

It's not "trendy".... It's just - bland

NeonSamurai 04-29-13 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus (Post 2048926)
This was front page news on CNN. Call my crazy, but I don't think anyone's sexual orientation is newsworthy, let alone be on the front page. I could care less if Johnny, Joe, or Jimbob packs it up the poopchute or not. I really don't care about peoples personal decisions that have no bearing on my own life, liberty, etc etc.

The fact that this sort of thing is in the news, speaks volumes about the media, and quite possibly the people they pander to.

It would be nice if that were the case, if people could just be who they are, without other people putting restrictions on them (or just being openly hostile). It doesn't work like that though for many different groups that are not in the majority. Even your remarks contain an anti-gay message (the Johnny, Joe, etc sentence).

Our culture is still quite anti-homosexual, particularly when it comes to men, and women that really are lesbian (instead of the more culturally acceptable bi-sexual/bi-curious, thanks mostly to porn induced fantasies). I feel a lot of this comes from personal insecurity, and a lot of religious teachings (though not all religious people believe this). It frequently takes a lot of courage to come out, even for every day people. Many parents may not understand or may become openly hostile (one acquaintance was formally disowned by his father), you will also probably lose many friends, and you dramatically increase your risks of being assaulted or even murdered if you are openly gay.

From some of the work I do as a clinical social worker, I am familiar with the fear associated with coming out. Many people, even today will try to keep it secret, because of what I said above.

So no it is not pandering, it is really part of the move towards equality for everyone. You know... Freedom?

Takeda Shingen 04-29-13 05:49 PM

I'm not so sure that "trendy" has anything to do with people coming out of the closet.

Tchocky 04-29-13 05:50 PM

It's a big deal because for a lot of people professional athletes are role models, and until now pro sports in the USA has been decidedly hetero, which doesn't really reflect those participating or spectating.

Platapus 04-29-13 06:23 PM

So the article says that he is the first,

but then CNN posts an article

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/16/worlds...html?hpt=hp_t3

Photos: Openly gay athletes

So what exactly is he the first of? The first in the NBA?

The two articles seem to contradict each other.

razark 04-29-13 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 2048955)
So what exactly is he the first of?

"...first active male athlete in a major American professional team sport..."

So, he's the first to come out while still playing a sport anyone watches?

It all depends on how you define "major", "American", "team", and "sport".

Schroeder 04-29-13 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 2048955)
So the article says that he is the first,

but then CNN posts an article

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/16/worlds...html?hpt=hp_t3

Photos: Openly gay athletes

So what exactly is he the first of? The first in the NBA?

The two articles seem to contradict each other.

Well, a lot of these aren't American and have retired before coming out.
The whole thing is still an issue even in Europe. Here it's especially in football (or soccer as the US guys would call it).

Ducimus 04-29-13 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NeonSamurai (Post 2048933)
Even your remarks contain an anti-gay message (the Johnny, Joe, etc sentence).

Well, I don't agree wiith the lifestyle/sexual preference, but I'm not going to say they have no civil rights like everyone else. Every American should be equal under the constitution. What I, or anyone for that matter, thinks about homosexuality is, or at least should be, irrelevant. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, If being gay makes someone happy, more power to them. They have the right to live however they choose, and nobody's life choices and sexual orientation makes them special. Gay, straight, bi, beastality, whatever floats a person's boat, really is none of my business.

In my opinoin, there are things of far greater importance for news sources to report on, then some athlete's sexual orientation. I chaulk "soandso is gay" on the front page of any news outlet as being a result of this up to this reality TV, celeb worship, BS going on in society these days. It's all very petty, and unimportant.

ReallyDedPoet 04-29-13 07:46 PM

In this day and age it is still big news ( sadly ), let's hope stories like this do eventually make it just another story.....
Not so long ago coming out was a big thing, then it became more of a common thing, this is another step for the LGBT Community.

mookiemookie 04-29-13 08:00 PM

"Gee Rosa Parks, you act like no one has ever been asked to move seats on the bus. What's the big deal?"

If you can't see why this is a big deal, you're ignorant. Willfully or not.

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Originally Posted by Ducimus (Post 2048926)
This was front page news on CNN. Call my crazy, but I don't think anyone's sexual orientation is newsworthy, let alone be on the front page. I could care less if Johnny, Joe, or Jimbob packs it up the poopchute or not. I really don't care about peoples personal decisions that have no bearing on my own life, liberty, etc etc.

The fact that this sort of thing is in the news, speaks volumes about the media, and quite possibly the people they pander to.

It speaks volumes about your own prejudices. You honestly can't see how the FIRST ACTIVE PRO SPORTS PLAYER to come out of the closet is newsworthy?

Jesus, Takeda is right.

Cybermat47 04-29-13 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus (Post 2048982)
Every American should be equal under the constitution.

The constitution doesn't even mention marriage, so it doesn't really apply in this case.

mookiemookie 04-29-13 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus (Post 2048982)
Well, I don't agree wiith the lifestyle/sexual preference, but I'm not going to say they have no civil rights like everyone else.

Many people do.

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Every American should be equal under the constitution. What I, or anyone for that matter, thinks about homosexuality is, or at least should be, irrelevant.
And that's true, but unfortunately it's not the case. Life is not like the happy idealistic land where everyone's color blind and we all hold hands and sing about buying the world a Coke. Your opinion on homosexuality doesn't matter at all. But unfortunately, popular culture holds that homosexuals are deviants and not worthy of the same rights as straight couples. So given that fact, one's sexuality matters. It matters a great deal.

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Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, If being gay makes someone happy, more power to them. They have the right to live however they choose, and nobody's life choices and sexual orientation makes them special. Gay, straight, bi, beastality, whatever floats a person's boat, really is none of my business.
Great. But society has chosen to make it their business by enacting laws and regulations that actively oppress gay people and deny them the same rights as straight folks.

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In my opinoin, there are things of far greater importance for news sources to report on, then some athlete's sexual orientation. I chaulk "soandso is gay" on the front page of any news outlet as being a result of this up to this reality TV, celeb worship, BS going on in society these days. It's all very petty, and unimportant.
If only it were so. It would be unimportant if society was really and truly equal to those who were gay. It's not. So any step forwards that gay folks make is given special attention.


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