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geetrue 02-12-13 07:01 PM
Ex-LAPD policeman surrounded in cabin in Big Bear, CA
 
Live right now on CNN


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...n-calif-cabin/

Armistead 02-12-13 07:10 PM
Yea, been watching it. They're reporting now he killed another officer today and another in critical condition. Not sure if he has hostages, if not, they should be able to end this easily, not sure the hold up, SWAT should be there by now. Anyway, this should end it.

geetrue 02-12-13 07:22 PM
Tear gas being used right now ...

continuous firing and now smoke from cabin (black)

Tchocky 02-12-13 07:23 PM
One shot fired inside the cabin, it seems. Wonder if he killed himself.

Armistead 02-12-13 07:57 PM
Seems he decided to cremate himself.

Platapus 02-12-13 07:59 PM
He sounded like a real baddie. sad that he had to kill as many as he did.

geetrue 02-12-13 08:01 PM
Live rounds are going off in the fire ... no one wants to go in yet.

I wouldn't want to be a black man that looks like Dorner in LA ...

http://www.takepart.com/sites/defaul...dorner_640.jpg

Photo of the day

mookiemookie 02-12-13 09:56 PM
some people were reporting on what happened according to the police scanner:

http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comment...rities/c8e1vkh

Cybermat47 02-12-13 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by geetrue (Post 2008779)
:haha:

Oh, that is the funniest thing I've seen all day! :har:

Hottentot 02-13-13 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 2008778)
He sounded like a real baddie.
I read his manifesto the other day. Sounded like a real nutcase.


Hand picked the part that struck me as the most disgusting:

Quote:
To those children of the officers who are eradicated, your parent was not the individual you thought they were. As you get older,you will see the evidence that your parent was a tyrant who loss their ethos and instead followed the path of moral corruptness. They conspired to hide and suppress the truth of misconduct on others behalf’s. Your parent will have a name and plaque on the fallen officers memorial in D.C. But, In all honesty, your parents name will be a reminder to other officers to maintain the oath they swore and to stay along the shoreline that has guided them from childhood to that of a local, state, or federal law enforcement officer.

Jimbuna 02-13-13 07:52 AM
Well it's over now...that is the main thing I suppose.

Condolences to the families and loved ones of those who lost their lives.

Skybird 02-13-13 08:04 AM
Intended and partially executed multiple/mass murder is just that, and I do not wish to excuse it.

However, LAPD has won questionable fame worldwide for racism and racism-related misconduct by police forces. Dorner claimed that he got fired in I think 2007 due to filing in a wrong accusation regarding a colleague who should have mistreated a mentally retarded prisoner. Yesterday I fetched up that that case has been reopened by investigators. Leaves two questions: will such an examination against a police officer in a department like LA have a fair chance to go unhindered, and second: what if they find that Dorner's claim about what happened in 2007 - were correct? It would not excuse his killing spree. But it would explain some things, and open some unwelcomed perspectives.

There must be a reason why he has ticked out so dramatically - even if it would be a mental disease or underlaying psychosis.

Armistead 02-13-13 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2008979)
Intended and partially executed multiple/mass murder is just that, and I do not wish to excuse it.

However, LAPD has won questionable fame worldwide for racism and racism-related misconduct by police forces. Dorner claimed that he got fired in I think 2007 due to filing in a wrong accusation regarding a colleague who should have mistreated a mentally retarded prisoner. Yesterday I fetched up that that case has been reopened by investigators. Leaves two questions: will such an examination against a police officer in a department like LA have a fair chance to go unhindered, and second: what if they find that Dorner's claim about what happened in 2007 - were correct? It would not excuse his killing spree. But it would explain some things, and open some unwelcomed perspectives.

There must be a reason why he has ticked out so dramatically - even if it would be a mental disease or underlaying psychosis.
Well, you just tried to excuse it...

I don't know of a person that can go through life and not be wronged, I know I have. Should I go on a murder spree. Our culture is creating a deadly mindset always trying to excuse murderers.

Skybird 02-13-13 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Armistead (Post 2009007)
Well, you just tried to excuse it...

I don't know of a person that can go through life and not be wronged, I know I have. Should I go on a murder spree. Our culture is creating a deadly mindset always trying to excuse murderers.
Thank you. Care to rationally explain that? And in case that already is asked too much, to elaborate the difference between "excuse" and "explanation"?

Armistead 02-13-13 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2009010)
Thank you. Care to rationally explain that? And in case that already is asked too much, to elaborate the difference between "excuse" and "explanation"?
You excused it with the "However". It's like saying "I'm sorry, BUT".

There is no explanation except he was angry and evil. Millions of people suffer wrong and have no need to murder innocent people. My guess is some of his complaint is right, but after he was fired, instead of picking up his life like normal people do, he fumed in anger for years. I bet he was killing people in his head years ago. He chose not to make proper change in his life. He could've filed a civil lawsuit, called the NAACP, fought racism, helped others. Instead he blamed others, giving up control of his life. Sure, we could find explanations for his anger, but not for his murdering innocent people.

I got wrongly fired once, because my Supervisor lied to protect his butt, was I mad, you bet, did I go on a shooting rampage killing innocent people....no.

CaptainHaplo 02-13-13 10:54 AM
ok you two - behave.

Sky - what Armistead is saying is that by having an "explanation" of why, it can create the "excuse" in the process. This is not always the case, but happens more times than not in cases like this because people use the explanation to excuse the actions.

If the guy was fired unjustly - he should have just sucked it up and moved on with life. We all have stuff hit us that isnt' "fair". The problem is he didn't move on - he chose to let it eat at him to the point of murder. There is no excuse for such actions - but some people (not all) will go to any length to absolve people of personal responsibility. It is that which Armistead is talking about.

TLAM Strike 02-13-13 11:06 AM
I looked over some of his manifesto, best quote ever...

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If you had a well regulated AWB, this would not happen. The time is now to reinstitute a ban that will save lives.
Get rid of your guns or I kill you? :06:

So remember support a new AWB, it's what Chris Dorner (cop killer, murderer of four) would want. :nope:

Sheesh its not the guns, in the constant anti-gun rhetoric and prominent news stories of mass shootings that glorify the killers that put ideas like this in to the heads of disturbed people. Get a gun; you'll be a rebel cuz The Man doesn't want you to have one, shoot a bunch of people; everyone will know your name from CNN. It once was kids, then it was felons, now it's people with training. :stare:

Takeda Shingen 02-13-13 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike (Post 2009064)
Sheesh its not the guns, in the constant anti-gun rhetoric and prominent news stories of mass shootings that glorify the killers that put ideas like this in to the heads of disturbed people. Get a gun; you'll be a rebel cuz The Man doesn't want you to have one, shoot a bunch of people; everyone will know your name from CNN. It once was kids, then it was felons, now it's people with training. :stare:
So anti-narcotics law enforcement is responsible drug use. Laws against domestic abuse are responsible for men beating their wives. Traffic laws are the reason behind reckless driving. That's some logic.

TLAM Strike 02-13-13 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 2009070)
So anti-narcotics law enforcement is responsible drug use. Laws against domestic abuse are responsible for men beating their wives. Traffic laws are the reason behind reckless driving. That's some logic.
Laws are not stopping such acts are they? The idea that such acts are acceptable is the problem. The problem is that the portrayal of such acts in the media glorify them, not in that they are just shown but in the context they are shown as positive.

Be like Snoop, smoke weed every day. While your at it smack a ho, you'll be a real pimp then. Your beamer is the best car in the world, people will stop for you as you drive by texting.

Sailor Steve 02-13-13 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Armistead (Post 2009040)
There is no explanation except he was angry and evil. Millions of people suffer wrong and have no need to murder innocent people. My guess is some of his complaint is right, but after he was fired, instead of picking up his life like normal people do, he fumed in anger for years. I bet he was killing people in his head years ago. He chose not to make proper change in his life. He could've filed a civil lawsuit, called the NAACP, fought racism, helped others. Instead he blamed others, giving up control of his life. Sure, we could find explanations for his anger, but not for his murdering innocent people.
That has got to be one of the best comments on this subject that I've read anywhere. :rock:


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