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Platapus 01-11-13 06:58 PM
The problem is that we have stupid guns in the United States
 
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/09/opinio...-smarter-guns/

I am not going to quote the entire article as it is a bit rambling. But here are the highlights

Quote:
What if we could design guns to be smarter and safer -- with hardware and software? The right technology could neutralize the killing capability of an assault weapon, even in a madman's hands. The root of the problem is that guns are "dumb." Pull the trigger and they discharge bullets mindlessly, regardless of who is doing the aiming or where they are aimed. Guns should "know" not to fire in schools, churches, hospitals or malls. They should sense when they are being aimed at a child, or at a person when no other guns are nearby.

...

How might this work? Start with locational "self-awareness." Guns should know where they are and if another gun is nearby. [no more defending yourself against an attacker armed with a chain saw or sword] Global positioning systems can meet most of the need, refining a gun's location to the building level, even within buildings. Control of the gun would remain in the hand of the person carrying it, but the ability to fire multiple shots in crowded areas or when no other guns are present would be limited by software that understands where the gun is being used.

[so if there are two nutters with guns standing next to each other, every thing is kosher]


Guns should also be designed to sense where they are being aimed. Artificial vision and optical sensing technology can be adapted from military and medical communities. Sensory data can be used by built-in software to disable firing if the gun is pointed at a child or someone holding a child.


Guns used by the police would be exempt from such controls. [only the police should be allowed to shoot children or people holding children]


Finally, guns should be designed to broadcast their location when they are loaded. Police could see if high-powered assault weapons are entering or getting close to a public place. Gun owners, too, could choose to broadcast their guns' locations publicly to increase deterrent effect.

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Yikes. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but this guy? Guns like this would not only be big and heavy would probably cost $20,000 each. Perhaps that is the whole idea. Make guns so "safe" that no one could afford one.....if they were to purchase a legal gun that is.

August 01-11-13 07:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1991509)
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/09/opinio...-smarter-guns/

I am not going to quote the entire article as it is a bit rambling. But here are the highlights

Yikes. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but this guy? Guns like this would not only be big and heavy would probably cost $20,000 each. Perhaps that is the whole idea. Make guns so "safe" that no one could afford one.....if they were to purchase a legal gun that is.
This is what comes to my mind when I hear "smart gun".

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/...he-real-world/

http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-conten...nt-640x241.jpg

Quote:
TrackingPoint makes "Precision Guided Firearms, or "PGFs," which are a series of three heavily customized hunting rifles, ranging from a .300 Winchester Magnum with a 22-inch barrel up to a .338 Lapua Magnum with 27-inch barrel, all fitted with advanced computerized scopes that look like something directly out of The Terminator. Indeed, the comparison to that movie is somewhat apt, because looking through the scope of a Precision Guided Firearm presents you with a collection of data points and numbers, all designed to get a bullet directly from point A to point B.

Stealhead 01-11-13 08:34 PM
This guy has no understanding of military technology.

Even a very expensive modern weapons system like that of say an Abrams MBT or the TADS system on an Apache attack helicopter require the person controlling them to positively ID what is being aimed at if they are incorrect they will kill an non combatant or allied unit these systems cost cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and are not compact.

This ding bat expects technology that is not currently existent(in non operation under certain conditions form) to be available in a compact form his ideas are very ludicrous to put it mildly.

August 01-11-13 09:44 PM
A gun with a brain. What he is essentially describing is an armed security detail with strong ethics.

Stealhead 01-11-13 10:37 PM
Or any person that understands the safe and proper operation of any firearm they happen to own or use.

Another factor the author failed to take into consideration is hunting and sport shooting.How would a firearm know the difference between a human and a deer or a bear or boar or fowl?

The idea of a firearm broadcasting its location is the best to me the tracking system would look like the stars in the sky utterly useless.

It is funny to me how stupid Americans are people get all worried about gun violence yet they will drive down the road texting which is many times more likely to kill you.People run traffic lights all the time in the US another activity much more likely to cause your death or they try to out run a train at a crossing.

7,770 people died in accidents caused by a vehicle running a traffic light in 2008 around 2,000 people each year die in railroad crossing accidents(sadly they suffer a double whammy as they also failed physics).I read in a Time magazine that since 1984 375 people have been killed in shooting sprees but that list included 3 sprees that occurred outside the US.I list shooting sprees because this is what everyone is concerned about.


http://www.tdi.texas.gov/pubs/videor...lroadcross.pdf

http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/intersection/redlight/

Catfish 01-12-13 06:08 AM
Here's a target-searching auto-gun run by Linux:

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/...he-real-world/

And you can put that on a drone, and kill people abroad without needing a human anymore, via image recognition. Beautiful times ahead.

August 01-12-13 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 1991744)
Here's a target-searching auto-gun run by Linux:

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/...he-real-world/

And you can put that on a drone, and kill people abroad without needing a human anymore, via image recognition. Beautiful times ahead.
See the second post in this thread.

Oberon 01-12-13 08:30 AM
Weren't they working on guns that worked on fingerprint ID and would only release the safety if the right person was holding it?

Armistead 01-12-13 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 1991652)
Or any person that understands the safe and proper operation of any firearm they happen to own or use.

Another factor the author failed to take into consideration is hunting and sport shooting.How would a firearm know the difference between a human and a deer or a bear or boar or fowl?

The idea of a firearm broadcasting its location is the best to me the tracking system would look like the stars in the sky utterly useless.

It is funny to me how stupid Americans are people get all worried about gun violence yet they will drive down the road texting which is many times more likely to kill you.People run traffic lights all the time in the US another activity much more likely to cause your death or they try to out run a train at a crossing.

7,770 people died in accidents caused by a vehicle running a traffic light in 2008 around 2,000 people each year die in railroad crossing accidents(sadly they suffer a double whammy as they also failed physics).I read in a Time magazine that since 1984 375 people have been killed in shooting sprees but that list included 3 sprees that occurred outside the US.I list shooting sprees because this is what everyone is concerned about.


http://www.tdi.texas.gov/pubs/videor...lroadcross.pdf

http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/intersection/redlight/

Most states texting or using a phone when driving is illegal, yet everyone still does it.

Stealhead 01-13-13 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Armistead (Post 1991820)
Most states texting or using a phone when driving is illegal, yet everyone still does it.
That was my point people do things every single day that are in fact very likely to cause death or serious bodily harm yet they get worried about dying in a shooting spree which all things considered is very unlikely to happen to them.

How many people do you know that have been shot or killed by a crazed gunman?I know 0. I do know one person who was nearly killed by a jackwagon that ran a red light.I know that over the years several people that live in my area have tried to out run a train at a crossing and as a result killed themselves.In my area as far as I am aware only one fatal shooting occurred between undercover law enforcement and meth dealers the meth dealers lost the shoot out if I'd have been home at the time I'd have shot the one that ran away and hid down my road.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G08PKeaXkM8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9bdnd2IY5Y

JU_88 01-14-13 11:43 AM
Lol, that guy is total pillock! :D

Like with any software, criminals would just find ways to 'hack it' to make put them selves back in full control of their weapon. (Or just obtain 'dumb' guns on a black market from the some 200 million of them already in circulation or illegal imports).

Also where would it leave the 2nd amendment if the authorities had the means to hypothetically disable all non government issue firearms electronically? Doh!

August 01-14-13 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by JU_88 (Post 1992823)
Also where would it leave the 2nd amendment if the authorities had the means to hypothetically disable all non government issue firearms electronically? Doh!
Probably the real reason they'd ever enact such a law.

Red October1984 01-14-13 05:28 PM
This tops it all...When i thought the BS couldnt get any worse...I see this.

Damn my country is stupid sometimes. :hmmm:

tater 01-14-13 06:06 PM
Since apparently hammers are used as murder weapons in excess of semi-auto rifles (federal 2011 crime stats are latest I could find), perhaps smart hammers as well. Might stop some of us from hitting our thumbs towards the end of a weekend honeydo list when we've had a break or two with a beer into the bargain.

JU_88 01-14-13 06:56 PM
Yes and lets have smart kitchen knives for the UK!
Street robbers will have no choice but to force their victims to hold up a kilo of carrots before they can stab them! Its genius I tell you :D

Platapus 01-14-13 07:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JU_88 (Post 1993053)
Yes and lets have smart kitchen knives for the UK!
Street robbers will have no choice but to force their victims to hold up a kilo of carrots before they can stab them! Its genius I tell you :D

"We want to learn how to defend ourselves against carrots, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me!"

gimpy117 01-15-13 11:59 AM
to be honest, an RFID chip in guns would be nice, so It can be known if somebody is armed. Imagine how much easier for police it would be, Driving through the hood to be able to scan and know if there are guns in the area and how many, Also, when you walk through the door with one like oh lets say in a school, an alarm goes off etc.

People say:

"oh well whats the point of Concealed carry if people know you have a gun?" well, I for one don't have to worry because I do nothing Illegal with my firearms. Imagine having a sensor, like in front of your house that could instantly Alert you to some stranger entering your property with a weapon, and for that matter what if it even had the ability to alert the police if so chosen?

August 01-15-13 12:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gimpy117 (Post 1993338)
to be honest, an RFID chip in guns would be nice, so It can be known if somebody is armed. Imagine how much easier for police it would be, Driving through the hood to be able to scan and know if there are guns in the area and how many, Also, when you walk through the door with one like oh lets say in a school, an alarm goes off etc.

People say:

"oh well whats the point of Concealed carry if people know you have a gun?" well, I for one don't have to worry because I do nothing Illegal with my firearms. Imagine having a sensor, like in front of your house that could instantly Alert you to some stranger entering your property with a weapon, and for that matter what if it even had the ability to alert the police if so chosen?
Gun control schemes only affect law abiding citizens. All a criminal would have to do is remove the RFID chip or block it's signal. Worse it would easily create a false sense of security.

Armistead 01-15-13 02:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by August (Post 1993353)
Gun control schemes only affect law abiding citizens. All a criminal would have to do is remove the RFID chip or block it's signal. Worse it would easily create a false sense of security.
I can see all the criminals buying illegal guns off the street lined up at police stations to have chips installed...:har:

Will be interesting to see Biden and Obama's new gun plan, not that it will solve anything.

JU_88 01-15-13 03:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Armistead (Post 1993413)

Will be interesting to see Biden and Obama's new gun plan, not that it will solve anything.
No it wont, because the problem in this case is caused by 90% Richard Cranium and maybe 10% gun (if that much even).
Anyway I doubt Obama and co are too bothered if their plan works or not in practice, so long as they can give the perception of having delt with it sufficiently enought to make the media and anti gun campaigners put a sock in it for a while, its probably a job well done as far they are concerned.
Good perception & intention is all that is really required of any politician half of the time. But the bottom line is that government legistlation will never stop some wacko from murdering some one.


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