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Bubblehead1980 11-07-12 05:42 PM

Those who voted "third party"....
 
Look at what the third party idiots caused, shame, shame.

50% Obama
47% Romney
3% Other third party candidates

mapuc 11-07-12 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980 (Post 1958140)
Look at what the third party idiots caused, shame, shame.

50% Obama
47% Romney
3% Other third party candidates

We have several parties to chose from and that's a very good thing that's democracy and not duocracy

Markus

Tchocky 11-07-12 05:53 PM

http://i.imgur.com/3KKNW.gif

Dowly 11-07-12 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 1958144)
We have several parties to chose from and that's a very good thing that's democracy and not duocracy

Markus

As do we. Rather have it this way than the two party system. :yep:

mapuc 11-07-12 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP (Post 1958141)
Oh right, cause democracy is supposed to be A/B choice and not an expression of individual free will.

Idiot.


Everyone have his right to have an opinion and You have the right not to support it, but call a person "idiot" because of what he may believe, is not correct

Markus

razark 11-07-12 05:55 PM

Because obviously, those of us who voted for a third party would have voted for Romney otherwise?

:har:

CCIP 11-07-12 05:57 PM

I also honestly don't understand the math. At all. Obama got over 50% (50.42 by what I'm seeing). Of the remaining votes, Johnson got about 1% and Stein got 0.3%.

To suggest that even half of the Libertarians and ANY of the Green voters would go for Romney in any scenario is, at best, wishful thinking. Even assuming it was a (stupid, undemocratic, unfair) forced A/B choice, the election would probably end up 49/51 at best on the popular vote.

Sorry, but little gets me riled up more than people banging their drums on how great America is for being democratic, and then when that democracy happens not in their favour, they invent undemocratic ways of how things should really be. I'm just glad that you guys have a system that, fortunately, has mostly resisted that sort of abuse thanks to all the checks and balances in place.

Bubblehead1980 11-07-12 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCIP (Post 1958141)
Oh right, cause democracy is supposed to be A/B choice and not an expression of individual free will.

Idiot.


Look I would love a serious third party candidate but it just is not reality currently and this election was extremely important, it was about obama feeling he had a mandate and free reign come January.Gary Johnson or any of the other morons had no chance of winning but 3% voted for them and left us stuck with Obama.I agree with most libertarian views(apparently Johnson got most of that 3%) but they did nothing but their vote might as well been cast for obama.:/\\!!

CaptainHaplo 11-07-12 06:01 PM

Yes - look at what they caused - they kept Romney from losing by 6% instead of 3%.

That isn't what you meant, was it? At best, it would have been a "split" - no way that all of that 3% went with Romney. Your also not dealing with the realities of the Electoral College - so the percentages you throw out have nothing to do with the reality of the election.

Bubblehead1980 11-07-12 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by razark (Post 1958148)
Because obviously, those of us who voted for a third party would have voted for Romney otherwise?

:har:

Should have, Romney was not my first choice but much better than obama and was only one who had a chance of beating him.

Tchocky 11-07-12 06:07 PM

Still amazes me that Romney was the best GOP candidate. I wonder what's next for the party.

em2nought 11-07-12 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky (Post 1958157)
Still amazes me that Romney was the best GOP candidate. I wonder what's next for the party.

FYI to the GOP four years from now I will NOT vote for a scientologist :D

Herr-Berbunch 11-07-12 06:22 PM

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Those who voted "third party"....
The world thanks you. :yeah:

Tribesman 11-07-12 06:26 PM

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Oh right, cause democracy is supposed to be A/B choice and not an expression of individual free will.

Idiot.
:up:

vienna 11-07-12 06:38 PM

The 3rd parties are not to "blame" for anything the GOP did to itself. A number of weeks back, Rick Perry gave a speech to a group of evangelicals where he expressed surprise that libertarians and others of their like didn't rush to the arms of the GOP and their Christain conservatives. I had to laugh when I read the report; people advocating personal liberty and self-responsibility wanting to join with a faction that seems bent on controlling and dictating every aspect of personal life and choice under the banner of "Christian values". It is rather like the Taliban wondering why secular Muslim Turks are not rushing to their banner. If the GOP had given the American voters any better reasons and/or a better candidate, they would have taken the votes away from Obama. There is always going to be about a 5% or less of the electorate who is going to be part of the 3rd party vote. This should be, and is, by those who are realists about elections, factored into the expectations of any party in the presidential elections. They are not out to get a majority of 100% of the voter pool - they have to get a majority of the +/-95% remaining pool. The only real break in this pattern is when there is a populist surge resulant in a3rd party candidacy appealing to some of the more aminstream voters such as Wallace and Perot. Otherwise, both parties should face reality there is no chance they are going to get that +/- 5% chunk...

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razark 11-07-12 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980 (Post 1958155)
Should have, Romney was not my first choice but much better than obama and was only one who had a chance of beating him.

Sorry, I'll make sure I check with you in four years to make sure I know who the approved candidate is. I mean, I'm just a rather non-descript American voter. There's no possible way I could have considered my options and made an informed decision.

I did some independent research this morning, in fact. It turns out that the sun did rise. And will continue to do so until January 20th, 2017. Your guy lost. Get on with your life, and better luck November 8th, 2016.

JU_88 11-07-12 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980 (Post 1958153)
Look I would love a serious third party candidate but it just is not reality currently and this election was extremely important, it was about obama feeling he had a mandate and free reign come January.Gary Johnson or any of the other morons had no chance of winning but 3% voted for them and left us stuck with Obama.I agree with most libertarian views(apparently Johnson got most of that 3%) but they did nothing but their vote might as well been cast for obama.:/\\!!

Wrong, because totally victory/majority is not always what democracy is about, most of 3% might be enough to make Team D and R realise that they will need to better accomadate some libetarian views in order to win back those voters, especially if that 3% increases in future elections.

Yes you are stuck with Obama for another 4 years, but its not forever and you'll live.
Good on those three percent, and shame on you for calling them idiots for standing up for what they believe, thats just sour grapes on your part because team R lost. That 3% is actually thinking in long term and is taking full advantage of your democratic system rather than just casting a sheepishly reluctant vote for the same old two party dictatorship you have ping ponged between since way back.
Real change only comes from the bottom-up, NEVER from the top-down. If there one thing that bugs the hell out of me, its people who vote for 'lesser of two evils' because the little guy cant win, well obviously when people have that kind of defeatist mentality -of course the little guy will never win.

Sailor Steve 11-07-12 07:13 PM

I could just as easily say that if you and everyone else had voted for Johnson there would have been a real choice. If there had been no third party candidates I would have written in someone else. The lesser of two evils is a game I've never played. Your joke of a candidate happens to be no better than the other guy's joke of a candidate.

I might have let it go this time, but you blaming everyone else for your loss is pathetic. Mookie is right - you are an idiot.

Cybermat47 11-07-12 07:16 PM

You Americans have only 2 parties with a decent chance of winning.

Australia has about 6.

Can't decide who's luckier.:-?

Bubblehead1980 11-07-12 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by razark (Post 1958164)
Sorry, I'll make sure I check with you in four years to make sure I know who the approved candidate is. I mean, I'm just a rather non-descript American voter. There's no possible way I could have considered my options and made an informed decision.

I did some independent research this morning, in fact. It turns out that the sun did rise. And will continue to do so until January 20th, 2017. Your guy lost. Get on with your life, and better luck November 8th, 2016.

That's ignorant to assume everything will be okay we no longer have that luxury, things are different with this "man".Obviously, like a lot of people you don't know this guy's background, how he really feels and thinks, just buy into what he says.This man will wreck the economy even more and a lot of human suffering will come out of it, but hey he did it with the god awful fake smile of his so it makes some people feel warm and fuzzy inside. Oh yea, not to mention the dangerous fools he will likely to appoint to the supreme court, the gun control he will pursue, the ridiculous immigration reform, the "flexible" position of missile defense he will take with Russian(like he told putin), his continued hostility towards Israel.Lets not forget his subversion of the consitution etc.Our only hope is to keep the house GOP in next four years to block every stupid thing he tries to do.

The enemy has made it through the gates, those of us with our eyes open have what the French felt like in 1940, we are an occupied nation.


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