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Cybermat47 10-21-12 06:50 PM

How should Atheists and Religous people treat each other?
 
Personally, I think they should treat each other with respect.

Maybe that's because I'm Christian!

Gargamel 10-21-12 07:02 PM

What a stupid question.

We should treat those mass delusional loonies with respect.

Especially as we push them off a cliff.

Cybermat47 10-21-12 07:05 PM

Who are you calling the mass delusional loonies?

The guys who believe that some omnipotent being created everything?

Or the guys who believe that...erm...the universe just suddenly decided to spring into existence?

August 10-21-12 08:05 PM

I'd guess with the cold civility with which one treats any mortal enemy outside of open warfare. There is no middle ground as the two beliefs are simply not and never can be compatible with each other.

yubba 10-21-12 08:11 PM

:woot:Atheist should mind their own business, just like liberals if they don't like something, no one should have it or do it, and that my freind is a mental disorder.:woot:

August 10-21-12 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by yubba (Post 1951033)
:woot:Atheist should mind their own business, just like liberals if they don't like something, no one should have it or do it, and that my freind is a mental disorder.:woot:


That's a two road street there Yubba. :yep:

Cybermat47 10-21-12 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1951031)
I'd guess with the cold civility with which one treats any mortal enemy outside of open warfare. There is no middle ground as the two beliefs are simply not and never can be compatible with each other.

Au Contraire, Monsieur! I'm a Christian, yet I believe in evolution, the big bang, LGBT marriage rights, sex changes, and, only in extreme cases, abortion and euthanasia.

Buddahaid 10-21-12 08:21 PM

Both possibilities are equally absurd but in general I think Atheists just want Christians to get out of their lives, and quit trying to pass their own form of "Sharia law".

And I don't think the two are mutually exclusive as laws of nature have to have been created somehow. It's more whether you can accept they were created by a will, or not.

Sailor Steve 10-21-12 08:31 PM

Everyone should treat everyone with respect.




Except perhaps people who make useless polls.

Cybermat47 10-21-12 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1951040)
Except perhaps people who make useless polls.

I wouldn't say that this poll is useless.

I mean, yubba and Gargamel obviously think that people who don't share their opinions are insane (and I respect that). But other people, like you, obviously believe everyone (apart from the 13 year old boy writing this right now) deserves respect.

I'm interested in finding out about other peoples opinions. Plenty of people are (No, I'm not going to put up a poll about that).

Takeda Shingen 10-21-12 09:22 PM

It's the way you phrased your poll. Instead of being subjective, you put it along the lines of 'should we help old ladies across the street or run them over with our cars?'.

Cybermat47 10-21-12 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1951052)
It's the way you phrased your poll. Instead of being subjective, you put it along the lines of 'should we help old ladies across the street or run them over with our cars?'.

Run them over. Definitely :D


Seriously, though, I see what you mean.

Thanks for the heads up!

August 10-21-12 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47 (Post 1951035)
Au Contraire, Monsieur! I'm a Christian, yet I believe in evolution, the big bang, LGBT marriage rights, sex changes, and, only in extreme cases, abortion and euthanasia.

I also beg to differ, none of that stuff has anything to do with Atheism.

Cybermat47 10-21-12 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1951063)
I also beg to differ, none of that stuff has anything to do with Atheism.

Oh, yeah.

Damn.

Rilder 10-22-12 12:28 AM

Every side needs to learn how to stop trying to concern themselves with other people's beliefs. If your theist then who are you to tell people to believe in something and if your atheist then who are you to tell people not to believe in something?

JU_88 10-22-12 04:03 AM

Im agnostic, I dont think anyone truley knows who/what put us here, and I think those that claim they do are being a being a touch too big for their boots (sorry), to me all religion and science can really offer is theory.

One solution would be learn how to put our belives aside for 5 seconds for the sake of objectivity, but since we are pretty hopeless at doing this, we should maybe just learn to shut up more, mind our own business, grow a thicker skin and just enjoy what makes us happy instead. And that means without needing to try and force it on others while at the same time; not howl "Im offended" like an over sensitive sissy mary -when confronted with the beliefs of others.
Are these people just emotionally insecure or what? :hmmm:

From where Im standing, I see buildings, trees, vehicles and day to day human life, although that in itself it quite complex, its something I can just about understand most of the time. Zoom out a bit and Im an insignificant spec on a vast rotating ball of minerals orbiting an even vaster ball of gass and fire in a seemingly infinate black vacum - Right then, Im not even going to BOTHER to try and fully understand/explain that - as its clearly too big for my primative level of human comprehention, and quite frankly I dont really need to understand it in order to lead a happy prosperous life, do I?
Wake me up when we have craft that can travel to the edge of the universe or when Jesus comes back, until then Im simply not interested in 'instant faith, just add water' based on some ancient dead guy(s) diary or therorectical maths based jargon that proves it self wrong every other decade.
And if you think im ignorant or ill informed, thats fine because I really dont care, Im pretty content with who and what I am and to me, thats all that matters.

Skybird 10-22-12 05:44 AM

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How should Atheists and Religous people treat each other?
In such a manner that the principle of state's and society's secularism stays guaranteed and the public space and state's institutions as well as public education structures stay neutral and non-influenced by religious sects' ideologies. If believers and non-believers would stay away from wanting to missionize the other, and relgious people would not try to turn society into a non-secular culture, then there would be no targets and victims of such missionizing efforts and thus there would be nobody needing to defend himself against an ideologically motivated aggression. Where there is no attack, there is no need to defend. But this only on the basis of secularism and freedom first, religion second, please.

Keep thy religion to thyself. Keep society free of it. Spare others from needing to always take note of what precious idols you have chosen to take for real - it'S your idols and your choice, not theirs, so why would you expect them to care for your stuff? Staying passive, so that society can be an open place for everybody to be in. What colours you paint your flat's walls in, is nothing strangers usually take interest in. And why should they? Your flat is not that important, you know.

Its good to recall this old law from physics: every action has reaction. So keep your radio silent enough that not all the neighbourhood needs to listen to your sound. Play your radio loud, and don't be surprised if neighbours turn against you.
They want to listen to their own radios maybe, you know, without being disturbed by your noise. And you are no disc-jockey for the district.

You want to tell others of your precious beliefs, theistic or atheistic? Then wait until you get asked and then answer to their questions. That's diplomatic, and good style. Missionizing is not diplomatic. It's an aggression.

In case of conflict arising: decide on basis of freedom goes first, religion only second. Always.

Sammi79 10-22-12 05:44 AM

As they would expect to be treated themselves.

That includes respect if one is being respectful.

It also includes ridicule if one is being ridiculous.

Regards, Sam.

Garion 10-22-12 06:27 AM

People can believe in whatever they want as long as they do not hurt others , or pass secular laws based on their particular beliefs.

Respect is earned, not bestowed.

Cheers

Gary

Sammi79 10-22-12 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Garion (Post 1951122)
Respect is earned, not bestowed.

So is ridicule. :O:


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