California man linked to anti-Islam film denies violating probation
 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8991L220121010


Note: Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:30pm EDT

Please give him 20-40 years!

Just a scape-goat, this matter is laughable at best,, got bigger fish to fry, white house is getting its lies in to order. It was just bad intel,,, hell it worked for Bush,..

For what? Probation violation or because he made a video that pissed off a bunch of people?

If there was a case of probation violation, he must face the legal consequence for it. For it - and not for anything more. Else if bad movie making would become a punishable crime, than most of Hollywood would end up in prison.

August is right, if they clapped this guy up, they'd have to lock up the Westboro lot too, although that wouldn't be a great loss.
You apply freedom of speech, you have to apply it across the board, from those insulting a foreign religion, to those calling for the death of their own countries soldiers, to those calling for the president to be killed.

I do wonder if we'd have that kind of tolerance here in the UK, given all the controversy over Twitter in recent months. :hmmm:

Can a video, any video not necessarily this one, be considered a hate crime? If so what would be the requirements for such?

Because he made a video that pissed off a lot of people, who were so pissed off that they killed four people, and had riots in several major cities that wounded yet more people.


That's why.

So do it.

So in other words all your enemies have to do is cause some riots and hurt or kill some people and they can make your country jail it's own citizens? I mean that's really what you're saying here.

What else could they make you do?

This is what I hate about arguing with smart people.

Oh the irony. the very same principles you want this man jailed for are the same reason we have modern science, and everything that it brought including the internet and this very forum page. remember how the church felt about Galileo, Darwin, Copernicus. Not only did they further the scientific world tremendously, but it started to chip away at church power and it's influence on the world. And it pissed ALOT of people off. They WERE jailed, killed, banned from publishing. Only with sustained effort did they get anything published. I mean, imagine if no one could say anything that offended anyone else. Nothing would EVER get done.

The fact that Muslims decided to riot over a stupid movie is the real problem here. Why does a silly movie give them the right to kill and pillage. Its ridiculous. The fact that someone made an offensive video using a thing that many free citizens enjoy called FREE SPEECH doesnt give people a free pass to do whatever they want in anger. its absurd.

Eh. Most Christians (myself included) would gladly see Westboro locked up, but you make a good point there.

So how is that his fault? Should no one ever do anything that might cause that kind of reaction?

No.

But, admittedly, he probably didn't intend that sort of reaction.

NOTE: My new rank is worse than being in the brig!

It's not punitive. It will change shortly. Once upon a time I had it too.

And it's gone. Phew.

Setting aside the reaction to the movie, if he's violated his probation, he has to pay just as we would have to if we had gotten in trouble and were put on probation.

That's true.

Freedom of expression: can a finger gesture to the traffic cop, or an obscene word to a car driver who cut you short, earn you a financial fee, yes or not?

Of course a movie can be a hate crime. It's just difficult to formalize its definition in legal terms even when the intention is crystal clear. Palestinian children TV is full of it, that is the first example immediately on my mind.