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TarJak 08-29-12 08:28 PM

New book by Navy SEAL contradicts official version of Bin Laden's death
 
http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/w...death/?cmp=ydn

Will be interesting to see whether any action gets taken over this. I'd hope not, but then exposing classified information seems to get a lot of attention these days.

1480 08-29-12 08:45 PM

Its pretty debatable. From the bits I have seen, he may have done himself.

Takeda Shingen 08-29-12 08:51 PM

Who cares? Dead is dead, and bin Laden is a man that deserved death. I am certainly not going to cry over an evil human being's justice. I just hope that Hell is hot enough for him.

CaptainHaplo 08-29-12 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TarJak (Post 1927912)
but then exposing classified information seems to get a lot of attention these days.

That depends. If you write a book - you might bet popped for it. If you leak stuff to reporters and movie makers and such to make yourself (or your boss) look good - it seems to be "wrong" but not serious enough to be a punishable offense.

Hottentot 08-30-12 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1927920)
Who cares?

I, for one, care about the truth, no matter whom it concerns. Killing bin Laden was without a question a historical event, and the less there is ambiguity about what happened, the less there will be myths and therefore less headache for the future historians having to prove these myths wrong over and over again. It may not be much now, but mere 100 years is a long time for myths be born and start living their own lives. Better try shooting them down now in our own era.

Not having read this book, I don't have an opinion of it. Also I might add that I'm not really losing my sleep over what they did to Osama. But I consider it a good thing that the official sob story is questioned if there are grounds for questioning it. If there are not, then this will sink as yet another conspiracy theory like that of 9/11 being an insider job. If there are, then yet another official sob story will be burned like that of Katyn. Either way the future history (an oxymoron?) benefits.

Takeda Shingen 08-30-12 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Hottentot (Post 1927952)
I, for one, care about the truth, no matter whom it concerns.

http://lunachan.net/chat/src/134259377176.jpg

:O:

Hottentot 08-30-12 01:08 AM

Whoever that is, he needs to have a discussion with his barber. :timeout:

TarJak 08-30-12 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1927920)
Who cares? Dead is dead, and bin Laden is a man that deserved death. I am certainly not going to cry over an evil human being's justice. I just hope that Hell is hot enough for him.

This SEAL obviously does. I personally don't care how he got popped. He's one individual who was deserving of a hot reception where ever he ended up.


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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo (Post 1927948)
That depends.... If you leak stuff to reporters and movie makers and such to make yourself (or your boss) look good - it seems to be "wrong" but not serious enough to be a punishable offense.

Bradley Manning anyone?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hottentot (Post 1927952)
I, for one, care about the truth, no matter whom it concerns. Killing bin Laden was without a question a historical event, and the less there is ambiguity about what happened, the less there will be myths and therefore less headache for the future historians having to prove these myths wrong over and over again. It may not be much now, but mere 100 years is a long time for myths be born and start living their own lives. Better try shooting them down now in our own era.

Not having read this book, I don't have an opinion of it. Also I might add that I'm not really losing my sleep over what they did to Osama. But I consider it a good thing that the official sob story is questioned if there are grounds for questioning it. If there are not, then this will sink as yet another conspiracy theory like that of 9/11 being an insider job. If there are, then yet another official sob story will be burned like that of Katyn. Either way the future history (an oxymoron?) benefits.

There will be conspiracy theories anyway. I'm sure the Al' Queda team have a number of theories of their own. No amount of facts will stop idiots believing what they want.

Hottentot 08-30-12 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TarJak (Post 1927958)
No amount of facts will stop idiots believing what they want.

Sadly true. That still doesn't mean the facts shouldn't be uncovered, and again, I emphasize, if there are grounds for it. No doubt there are still also those who believe that Katyn massacre was done by the nazis, but supporting a lie by a government is no better than supporting any other lie. Making people feel better is not what history should be about.

Takeda Shingen 08-30-12 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TarJak (Post 1927958)
This SEAL obviously does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question

TarJak 08-30-12 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1927965)

:O::D

mapuc 08-30-12 04:05 AM

Whatever he have done, he HAD the right to a fair trail.(thereafter we eliminater him)

As a journalist wrote after his dead, now those 9/11 believes got new blood-why did they kill him, why didn't they captured him alive a.s.o

I guess, now that it have been "revealed" that he was unarmed, when he was killed, those truther got really good stuff to use in their debate.

I'm not 100 % truther but even I wunder why they had to kill him and not giving him the right to a fair trail.

Markus

Dowly 08-30-12 05:02 AM

For the truthers to use this in any way, they would have to get the basics of 9/11
right first, something they have failed to do for almost 11 years now. :O:

Oberon 08-30-12 05:59 AM

Han shot first!

HunterICX 08-30-12 06:00 AM

^Here we go again! :nope:

HunterICX

Jimbuna 08-30-12 06:15 AM

In a country known to harbour armed terrorists, in a house where armed terrorists were believed to be, climbing stairs in pitch black conditions, hearing two gunshots, seeing a man peeking out of a door and suspecting it was possibly the worlds most wanted....

I'd say they had sufficient cause given all the circumstances.

Far better than the alternative scenario of a group of soldiers being gunned down or killed in a booby trapped house.

CaptainHaplo 08-30-12 08:07 AM

Look, we all know the Annointed One used his awesomeness to transport himself astrally (or was etherally?) to the room, disable any weapons the bad guys had, then asked the Seal's to provide him with a firearm (I hear he even - under intense pressure in a highly stressful situation - said "please"). He then turned to Bin Laden, shifted the local area of time and space into the Matrix, fired and then recited the names (from memory) of each 9/11 victim to Bin Laden as he was forced to watch his death coming as the bullet approached.

At that point, he returned the weapon to the Seal (thanking them each by name), gave them each their instructions to not mention his amazing abilities, then faded away before their eyes as he returned to Washington - just in time for a quick basketball game (he didn't even break a sweat) before addressing the nation to share the good news.

Even more astounding - he never messed up his immaculately pressed suit.

How dare one of those lowly peon soldiers dare to contradict the "official" version. Ungrateful so and so!

Ducimus 08-30-12 10:24 AM

All I have to say is I really "love" the way the press exposed the writer's true identity. The guy was writing under a psudeo name for a reason. Thanks to the press, they may have endangered him and his family.

(insert plehtora of colorful nouns here)

Hottentot 08-30-12 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus (Post 1928122)
All I have to say is I really "love" the way the press exposed the writer's true identity.

Yeah, that's exactly what I though too when I originally read this on a Finnish paper. It literally was like: "The author uses pseudonym blahblahblah, but his real name is confirmed to be yadayadayada." It's the first time I remember such case of a pseudonym being made useless already when it's published the first time. Sort of defeats the purpose.

Would be interesting to know how they figured it out so quickly. If I'm not completely mistaken, usually the names of the personnel participating in operations like this are classified in the first place? I wouldn't put it past the author of a book like this to have his loose lips work against him.

Bilge_Rat 08-30-12 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 1927993)
Whatever he have done, he HAD the right to a fair trail.(thereafter we eliminater him)

As a journalist wrote after his dead, now those 9/11 believes got new blood-why did they kill him, why didn't they captured him alive a.s.o

I guess, now that it have been "revealed" that he was unarmed, when he was killed, those truther got really good stuff to use in their debate.

I'm not 100 % truther but even I wunder why they had to kill him and not giving him the right to a fair trail.

Markus

It think it was pretty obvious, even under the "official" version, that the SEAL's mission was to terminate him with extreme prejudice. There was never any intention of taking him alive and that is fine by me.


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