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Gerald 05-22-12 07:05 AM

China fake parts 'used in US military equipment'
 
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Vast numbers of counterfeit Chinese electronic parts are being used in US military equipment, a key Senate committee has reported.

A year-long probe found 1,800 cases of fake parts in US military aircraft, the Senate Armed Services Committee found.

More than 70% of an estimated one million suspect parts were traced back to China, the report said.

It blamed weaknesses in the US supply chain, and China's failure to curb the counterfeit market.

The failure of a key part could pose safety and national security risks and lead to higher costs for the Pentagon, the committee said.

US servicemen rely on a variety of "small, incredibly sophisticated electronic components" found in night vision systems, radios and GPS devices and the failure of a single part could put a soldier at risk, the report said.

It highlighted suspect counterfeit parts in SH-60B helicopters used by the Navy, in C-130J and C-27J cargo planes and in the Navy's P-8A Poseidon plane.

After China, the UK and Canada were found to be the next-largest source countries for fake parts.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18155293

Note: 22 May 2012 Last updated at 02:35 GMT

Herr-Berbunch 05-22-12 07:37 AM

I wondered why I'd seen a Land Lover driving round. :D

Gerald 05-22-12 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch (Post 1887240)
I wondered why I'd seen a Land Lover driving round. :D

Is actually a Kia :O:

Skybird 05-22-12 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch (Post 1887240)
I wondered why I'd seen a Land Lover driving round. :D

:har:

Jimbuna 05-22-12 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch (Post 1887240)
I wondered why I'd seen a Land Lover driving round. :D

LOL :DL

Ducimus 05-22-12 09:37 AM

:nope:

Everything our military uses, should be made in the US. Relying on parts, products, equipment made anywhere else, is a major logistical weakness and in a wartime scenario, opens the doors to sabotage and other forms of underhandedness. On top of that, getting equipment from foriegn vendors detracts from our own local economies.

This situation is INCREDIBLY stupid.

TLAM Strike 05-22-12 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus (Post 1887297)
Everything our military uses, should be made in the US.

Ummmmm....
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/7...ty28pg9329.jpg
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/8...pxpngnsh60.jpg
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6...2m2706g003.jpg

How about the DoD just stops buying from China? ;)

Stealhead 05-22-12 12:45 PM

I fully agree with TLAM on this one.

Also you forgot

Belgian
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/...mbo/M240-1.jpg

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/...jimbo/m249.jpg

German
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/...mbo/mark23.jpg

Italian
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/...imbo/m1014.jpg

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/...jimbo/M9bw.jpg

Sweeeeedish!!!!!!!!!
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/...t4-dvic540.jpg

Sure some of these are made in the US the F&Ns(the Belgians) are made by F&N USA and the H&Ks are made by H&KUSA but they are foreign designs and the parent companies are foreign.I do not care where it comes from so long as it not an enemy state and so long as it is the best available/most effective choice.F&N has large contract to produce M-16/M-4 parts as well.

By the way there is a DOD program that allows you to search through all DOD supply contractors another guy in my unit was searching though it one day many items are made by prisoners in the US prison system much of the clothing for example and even some electronic components.

Stealhead 05-22-12 12:51 PM

Oh and do not forget the Packard-Merlin.

Ignore this post I had a brain fart and it will not let me delete it

Morts 05-22-12 12:52 PM

Found a few more
M3 Carl Gustav, Sig P228, Sig P229, Glock 19, HK416, MP5, MP7.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...._Armed_Forces

Stealhead 05-22-12 12:55 PM

Some of those are more unique weapons used by elite forces though and are in smaller numbers I admit that showing the Mk23 is a bit of cheat because it is not in common use but you are correct I am not sure about the Glock 19 though that will find only as a personally procured weapon on elite troops the sigs are used by Navy SEALs as an issued weapon.The HK416 was only tested as well and not officially adopted if you want to split hairs.

Ducimus 05-22-12 01:45 PM

I make no apologies for my love of country, and firm belief that the things we use should be made here.

EDIT: By the way, the M9, while an italian design is made in the US, so you can remove the picture of the Beretta 92fs.

Bilge_Rat 05-22-12 02:17 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...AV8B_edit5.jpg

Harrier II also, British design and partially built in the UK.

Jimbuna 05-22-12 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat (Post 1887468)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...AV8B_edit5.jpg

Harrier II also, British design and partially built in the UK.

Good one...the Harrier is the only plane designed in another country that the US have flown IIRC.

Herr-Berbunch 05-22-12 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1887486)
Good one...the Harrier is the only plane designed in another country that the US have flown IIRC.

Err, T-45 Goshawk - British, C-27 - Italian, C-41 - Spain, T-6 Texan designed on the Pilatus PC9 - Switzerland, TG-10 (glider for training) - Czech Republic, DA-40 - Austrian, Twin Otter - Canada.

Admittedly none of those feature highly when you think of US military aircraft, but nonetheless. :D


Edit: I admit that even with my almost encyclopaedic knowledge I had to turn to wiki for some.

Raptor1 05-22-12 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch (Post 1887534)
Err, T-45 Goshawk - British, C-27 - Italian, C-41 - Spain, T-6 Texan designed on the Pilatus PC9 - Switzerland, TG-10 (glider for training) - Czech Republic, DA-40 - Austrian, Twin Otter - Canada.

Admittedly none of those feature highly when you think of US military aircraft, but nonetheless. :D


Edit: I admit that even with my almost encyclopaedic knowledge I had to turn to wiki for some.

There's also the English Electric/Martin B-57 Canberra, as well as about twelve billion different French, British and other aircraft designs in and after World War I...

Digger Heinz 05-22-12 05:32 PM

It's difficult, at times... to admit to one's self that your country doesn't produce the best "fill in the blank"... however, I think it is a great thing to be able to realize that you can get these wonderful toys, and that such makes the market thrive... not just the weapons market... yes I'm speaking generally... why? Because I'm not going to go into who built what... or who sells this or that to which country... suffice it to say... the US is a great broker... nuff said~!

Fair skies,

Digger

Ducimus 05-22-12 05:46 PM

I'm just not a big fan of globalization. If you think its great, that's fine, your entitled to their opinion just as much as I'm entitled to mine.

Herr-Berbunch 05-22-12 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor1 (Post 1887549)
There's also the English Electric/Martin B-57 Canberra, as well as about twelve billion different French, British and other aircraft designs in and after World War I...

I was just going through those in service - please tell me you've still got operational Canberras, please! :DL

CaptainMattJ. 05-22-12 06:35 PM

Agreed. Im sick of extremely low quality "goods" from China. Id much rather pay a little extra for something that was built by a skilled labor workforce with higher standardization thats going to last me than some cheap low quality item thats going to break down on me earlier.

The chinese can still sell their low quality items to poorer nations. Im sure they need it. Why should we have to continue investing in China, when the Chinese are getting more and more aggressive by the minute. The only problem with pulling industry back to the United States and/or 1st world countries, is that corporations will start price gouging again because they now have to pay MINIMUM WAGE at the LEAST to their workers and start treating them decently (although id bet theyd just hire illegals to do the work anyway). The benefits of low-intervention capitalism are never ending, arent they? :nope:


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