Falklands 1982 vs 2012
 

BBC has a nice vis-a-vis comparison of chances and resources used in a Flakland war today, and back then.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17157373

^ Flakland, eh? :D

Does Britain have the political will to fight for it?

I have in some article read that Brazil and some other country i South america is on Argentines side on it's demand.

So I believe that this time Argentina would not fight alone, if it should come to that.

Markus

There are maybe now a lot of AA guns in the island ...

Another thing : if UK had today to use cruise liners for transporting their reinforcement troops, I would not be a good idea for the Royal Navy to requisition any Costa ship ... :haha:

Most the South American countries would jump in this time.

Hugo Chavez would use it to poke at America using Britain as a proxy. Kinda like cold war era "proxy" wars.

A second Falklands war would actually be a noble undertaking for America to help its British friends.

We can help free the savages in Iraq and Afghanistan, why not help our mother country.

Don't most the Falklanders enjoy being under the British commonwealth? I always got that impression.

You guys oughta trade the Falklands with us for Puerto Rico. I will not throw in Guam. That is ours.

Where did you learn such imperialism son?

I LEARNED IT FROM YOU!:O:

(old anti drug commercial, sorry)

To requisition any vessels we'd have to invade Panama or Mauritania first, we don't have any left! :o

The article says the Brits can´t take the island back without carriers, which the Brits does´t have. Maybe they can borrow one from the US, according to the article one of those is equal to 10 of the ones the Brits had in 82. America has 11, surely they can put one on a southerly cruise.

I got the impression that the British argument is that the Argentinians find it hard these days to even reach the island in strength, with an unsuspected airdrop on the airfield being their only option. Said airfield also is the British main supply gate now, and reinforcement gate. I think they know how to defend it, therefore. Back then, main supply was via ships.

Just 4 fighters nevertheless looks thin to me. Maintenance breakdowns, repairs, wear-and tear, the lucky hit for the enemy, accidents during refuiling... 4 can very fast falling down to 3 or 2 or 1.

Brazil will not throw its military weight into any war, i think. Its not good when two nuclear powers start shooting at each other, and the business ties to Europe and the Yanks are precious. Venezuela is far away.

I think chances for an Argentinian attack are very very very slim anyway.

I think that this whole story will end up with some kind of a UN-resolution that makes the habitant on the island vote for who they want to control them
England or Argentina.

Or perhaps none of them

Markus

For Britain, it's enough !!!

It was already the case during WWII in Malta, with the 3 Hawker Hurricanes defending the island : Faith, Hope and Charity ...

Whatever happened to the Monroe Doctrine? NO EUROPEAN CONTROL IN THIS HEMISPHERE! :O:

Definitely just kidding, but it is an interesting question. :sunny:

That is what the Typhoons deployed to the Falklands are named, they added Desperation for #4. :salute:

BTW I thought they were Gloster Gladiators?

You are right, there was also a dozen of Gloster Gladiators.

But the myth is more beautiful with only 3 heroic planes ...

Until the Wasp arrived with planes, that got bombed the moment they landed, then Wasp returned again along with Eagle carrying more planes. Saving Malta. Another happy ending.

'Faith', 'Hope' and 'Charity' were indeed Sea Gladiators, but they were also legend. Apparently there were at least six of them at the beginning of the campaign, and there were also Hurricanes. By the end of 1942 there had been more than 700 aircraft defending Malta, including the latest Spitfires.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Malta

You are referring to Manifest Destiny?

I believe that only applied to continental US (what we call the lower 48)

at that time France, Spain and England held claims in the N American new world.

An excuse to whack indians. But I digress.
South America has always been an interesting location, due to the attention given to them, and how much they hate us.

The Mexican cartels have more power than the USA in south America, than the gringos do.

MS13 gang. worth a googling.

The Monroe Doctrine doctrine was the ultimate expression of Manifest Destiny which applied to what we consider today to be North America of which a large portion was under the control of Mexico many people seem to forget this fact for some reason.

Ever since it was put fourth in 1823 we have more or less followed it to this day
most Latin American nations are safely in the United Sates pocket and that is how we like it Venezuela is just an annoying blister like Cuba.The US says jump almost every Latin American leader says "How high senior?".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine

Why do you think they invaded Panama back in 1989? They wanted to rid of Manuel Noriega not because he was involved in drugs they could have cared less but because he was going to allow the next major refurbishing project on the Panama Canal go to a none US firm Manuel Noriega was not going to play by our rules.


MS13 is not a Mexican gang it originated in El Salvador and is mostly made up of El Salvadorians they and Mexican gangs are huge rivals they hate each other the Mexican cartels deal with whoever controls the turf which is usually MS13 because they are the most violent and the Mexican cartels will employ Spanish speaking gangs though most of that "work" is in Mexico they go on a vacation so to speak MS13 goes where they can make money.

Actually most Latin Americans like or a are neutral towards Americans in my experience.The Cartels have power in Mexico and some parts of Central America the South is another Story all together.If you are in Columbia it is either the Colombian Government or FARC depending on what part of the country you are in same applies to most other nations to some degree.

Eagle used to be in my sig, listing after being hit. :cry: She still had some aircraft on board but some were in the air.

No matter the origin of MS13, they are still working for the cartels, in the southwest USA

Yes I am aware of the origins. My older brother( in law) is a prison guard in Northern state prison in NJ. Where they isolate gang scum like this.

The only way to stop this, is to stop lockin up the joint smoker, and instead locking up the crack dealer.


Cartels don't bother with pot, when coca and meth is so much more profitable.


3 years for smoking a joint, or corrupting an entire population with crack cocaine. sad state of affairs that one is as bad as the other.
Both recieve similar felony sentences in NJ. 3 flat minimum. Which is 9-13 months in prison, and the rest on parole.

(manslaughter convictions get lighter sentences than drugs in some cases)