Thank you Governor Perry
 

Rick Perry showed some character by leaving the GOP race ahead of the South Carolina primary, some of his votes will no doubt go to Newt Gingrich and hopefully help derail Romney.Not a fan of Perry but he showed that he will put his country and party ahead of his ego unlike Rick Santorum. By the way, google Santorum:har:

Obligatory parody for what Perry will always be remembered for.

Rick never had a chance......

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Santorum 1. The frothy mix of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex. 2. Senator Rick Santorum.

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watching rick perry is like watching a train wreck.. cant' look away.

GOP field is just a total trainwreck, no?

The thing with Gingrich in South Carolina just proves they are only trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

Although as silly as Mr. Perry got at times it is almost a shame he did not fare better. He appeared less extreme than most the others, and more "real" than Willard Romney.

That is actually praise coming from me.

Even though this immaculate (R) field is forcing my hand to vote for the spineless wonder again. (at least he killed Bin Laden *raspberry*)

Stop catering to the lowest common denominator, and cater to moderates like me... I don't want socialism, nor do I want corporate warfare.
Sure it works in the hick states, or down south with implied rascism like Newton there. But we are a nation. 50 states.

Whatever happened to for the people, by the people?

That's a bit much. I think it is more that it finally got through his ego that he did not stand a chance even with the GOP.

Believe me, if his numbers were a bit higher, he would have put ego before country in a heartbeat. He is, after all a politician.

You can't logically assign human emotions to a politician. Politicians just mimic human emotions based on stimulus.

Last time Giuliani, this time Perry. Seems like every cycle there's a high-profile non-candidate who gets talked up for months, then entertains us all by entering the race and blowing it in spectacular fashion.

The emphasis below is mine.

Gee, no trace of northeast elitism there. Nope, no sir. The sad thing is, you probably don't even see it.

Ha ha. Yeah I do see it. Maybe because up here trashing the poor as lazy is not a way to get votes, like it is in other states, states much poorer than NJ by the way.
I am pretty much non partisan. I do not vote against my own worst interests.(I voted for Bush Jr twice)


Nor does crap like abortion or race like your folks love to concentrate on, mean a thing to me.

So chuckle it up.

Lets bring jobs back?

Or legislate what women can do with their bodies.... Much easier!

I am torn between Barack Obama, and Lady Gaga as a write in.. tough choice for me at the moment.

I am from Jersey by the way, look up our property taxes. If I showed you my bill you would cringe...

So your welfare crap goes out the window.

edit: I do apologize for being generally blunt and not elaborating my position. The "hicks" are as necessary to our country as the silly (liberal) Yanks.
I should have respectfully stated our differences in a more tactful way. Yes this edit was an apology. I love all Americans, and should represent that better in public.

I have asked this before and have not get real response so I ask this from you as well. What you mean with "socialism"? I assume that you do not mean traditional definition of socialism found from Wikipedia for example.

I did deserve it. My original post that started this was wrong, while not my intention, it could have been stated better.

We all deserve better than what we have to choose from.


We need a modern day Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus or George Washington who both had enough restraint to resist the vices of power.

i mean state socialism " the direct allocation of economic inputs to meet economic demands and human needs"

government regulating revenue from EVERYONE to distribute to those who 'need' it, why i dont like that though?

in my government course, i was given the example, you work hard to get an A on your test, it was 100%, meanwhile a few kids didnt study at all and they all got 80's. Well the teacher decides shes going to take 10% from your score and boost the other kids up to 90%

so now the entire class has the same score, everyone is 'even' and 'fair' [social equality, lol] but is there anymore incentive to work harder for that A now? to study more? nope. if anything all incentive is gone.

and thats the downside to socialism, and it shows greatly here in the U.S. [like i said were a mixed government/economy, we have plenty of socialist programs here. some i support, others i dont] -- the number of people who stand around with their hands out, people who think they deserve something now without working for it, and its on the rise....at least here it is, and its all being regulated by either the state or fed.

im done going off topic now though, back to governer perry

my favorite quote by him "Oops" when he forgot what government agencies he wanted to get rid of

I'll even expand. My wife got her start as a supermarket cashier (she manages it now)
Her first shift was the overnights, and on the first and third people would flock in with the welfare cards. Buy enough packs of 25 cent gum to empty the thing, then give it to the drug dealers they owed right in the store. Very few bought food, and when they did, it was expensive name brand crap. Candy, lobster tails and angus steaks.

I can barely afford that crap! I got to pay my way!

That is where socialism fails.

Then there is my friend Roger. Master welder, laid off, and denied benifits because he had 10k in a saving account. Thats what you get for being honest in this country.

The 10k is long gone, and they still resist giving him anything because they think his wifes 30k a year job can pay the bills, and care for his 2 kids.

That is where it fails.


So yes a double edged sword.

those are some honest examples that hit the nail square on the head

While I unfortunately do not have the time to go into a long theoretical discussion, I would only like to point one thing out. Do not mistake attempts by governments for what the idea(ls) calls for. @soopaman2, this is a very unfortunate case, but I'm not surprised that the system hasn't been set up to ensure proper social assistance (ie. help the family that is struggling on one breadwinner). In the end, it all depends on how the law was written and how it is implemented, which in this case is badly. This doesn't mean however, that everyone getting help is acting the same way. You don't throw away the entire crop because of one rotten apple. You make sure that either it doesn't happen (which requires continuous control and in the short term, high expenses, which are then reduced as people internalize the new rule set) or you get rid of the apple(s), which usually has long-term negative consequences.

@diluvian, your example of a school applying the supposed ideas of socialism in the test exams runs against its very logic. The idea here is to allow everyone to achieve by their own merit the advancement in life, not to blindly redistribute in the name of an equal society. Yes, in order to achieve an even starting field, resources have to be distributed, but not in this sense. Marx's idea was: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Now while this can be interpreted in many different, especially negative ways, let us, for the sake of argument accept this statement as something meant for the common good of ALL human beings, regardless of other factors.

So to recap, there is a difference between implementation, policy preposition by different groups and the ideas behind it all. Oh and welfare policies in a strictly capitalist system are not socialism. Welfare state=/social democracy=/socialism.

My points was simply to show I understand the extreme good, and bad of a caring society.

I see diluvinans point as well, there will always be more leechers, and gamers of the system.

it is those people who jeopardaize the welfare of the truly needy.

No American I know will let someone who wants to work starve, but there is too many folks who give nothing, which is why the sytem fails.

Public assistance should be an emergency, and not a way of life. I truly get that. But what I fear from republicans is that they will cut the nose of to spite the face.

Then give subsidies (i.e corporate welfare) to farmers to grow dead corn for ethanol. Or tell GE they do not have to pay taxes. Or tell Goldman Sachs, they can give bonuses after being bailed out. etc...

America first, and real Americans first.

Pardon me, I forgot corps are people now...

They won't be people to me until Texas executes one or many.

That is an insult to train wrecks. :O:

Respenus, you need to simplify it to a level that works.
socialism = government welfare I don't like or don't get.
non-socialism=government welfare I do like or do get.
It works with taxes too.