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Gerald 10-23-11 09:26 AM

NY bus accused of sex discrimination
 
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New York City officials say they could shut a bus service running through an Orthodox Jewish area that is accused of asking women to sit at the back.Officials have written to the firm operating the bus asking what they are doing to prevent discrimination.The B110 bus is operated by a private firm under a franchising agreement with the city, but is open to the public.A student journalist published a story this week reporting that a woman on the bus was asked to sit at the back. The New York Times later reported that a woman passenger on the B110 had said men and women also sat apart on similar bus services catering for the city's Hasidic Jewish community.New York City's Department of Transportation director, Anne Koenig, has asked the company that operates the B110 to respond to the claims."Please be advised that a practice of requiring women to ride in the back... would constitute a direct violation of your franchise agreement and may lead to termination of that agreement," she wrote, reports Reuters news agency.The department said the firm that runs the service had no exemptions from city's anti-discrimination standards.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15411791

Note: 21 October 2011 Last updated at 22:53 GMT

soopaman2 10-23-11 10:45 AM

Read about that the other day in the locals here.

The orthodox Jews in that neighborhood are thick as thieves. Really devout and hateful of outsiders unless you are spending money. They feel that their laws override the laws of the land. It is of course blatant discrimination..

Something Orthodox Jews and Arabs have in common. They treat their women like dogs.

Gerald 10-23-11 01:27 PM

Something seems wrong here...:hmmm:

Jimbuna 10-23-11 01:28 PM

No, no....I'd better not.

*must behave*

Gerald 10-23-11 01:35 PM

*Must behave*,not for you to try :smug:

Jimbuna 10-23-11 01:38 PM

:DL

soopaman2 10-23-11 02:04 PM

I just know we used to make black men sit in the back of the bus too, 100 years after they were supposed to be free.

New York and Mayor Bloomberg is very public relations concious, I have confidence in him to fix this. Then again he is also a Jew... To take the side of the heathen against a Jew is a no go...

But lawsuits talk, and law of the land (not the torah) will prevail... We hope...:nope:

The Jews can be what they are, but they should respect the rights men and women have died for if they are to prosper as a part of our society.:)

Betonov 10-23-11 02:07 PM

Most probibly they'll play the WWII victim card and get public symphaty

MH 10-23-11 02:08 PM

The point here is sex segregation and not lesser treatment.
I'm very far from being fan of orthodox ways and in my opinion they have taken judaism out of context.
Good thing is that they don't blow up buses or try to convert others-simply live in their own world.

Nobody has to like them but it seems like some people look forward for this nonsense just to feel better about self.
Oh...how better i'm.

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Something Orthodox Jews and Arabs have in common. They treat their women like dogs.
Hey...be easy on dogs.

MH 10-23-11 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by soopaman2 (Post 1773341)
The Jews can be what they are, but they should respect the rights men and women have died for if they are to prosper as a part of our society.:)

Jeeeez...opps... oy vey take it easy lol..

soopaman2 10-23-11 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MH (Post 1773347)
Jeeeez...opps... oy vey take it easy lol..

I didn't come across as insulting I hope. I just lack some tact when expressing myself. People can worship this guy for all I care.:D

http://www.venganza.org/

Now thats a God I can get behind.

Tribesman 10-23-11 03:15 PM

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The point here is sex segregation and not lesser treatment.
If the women are not getting lesser treatment then why are they at the back?
But look on the bright side, they havn't started making women use the emergency exit instead of having them dirtying the bus doorway yet:yeah:

Jimbuna 10-23-11 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1773391)
If the women are not getting lesser treatment then why are they at the back?
But look on the bright side, they havn't started making women use the emergency exit instead of having them dirtying the bus doorway yet:yeah:

Behave yersel :|\\

TLAM Strike 10-23-11 03:52 PM

I think it wrong to discriminate against people having sex on New York City buses... :nope:


... wait what? :doh:

Oh that's the subway... :O:

MH 10-23-11 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1773391)
If the women are not getting lesser treatment then why are they at the back?

So you could ask stupid questions?
Would it make you feel better if they switch around and put curtain in middle of bus?
it would be opposite to the KKK days-so no hard feelings.

Jimbuna 10-23-11 04:43 PM

Looking like a game of chess......people!!

Tribesman 10-23-11 05:12 PM

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So you could ask stupid questions?
It is a sensible question, its just that you don't like the answer.
But its OK I know you get all bunkery over segregated buses and shops and the "modesty police"...hey sounds like mecca don't it:yep:

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Would it make you feel better if they switch around and put curtain in middle of bus?
If the men were made to go in the back and didn't object it would prove me wrong wouldn't it. It would also demonstrate that you are correct in your rather ludicrous "segregation not lesser treatment" line.
It would be better if they kept it in temple and the home and didn't try and impose it on public transport where such discrimination is clearly illegal.

vienna 10-23-11 05:32 PM

Questions not answered in the BBC story:

1. Does the bus service get any federal, state, or local funding or subsidies? If it does, then the practice is illegal and unconstitutional;

2. Does the bus line only serve a particular population, i.e., it does not pick up members of the public at large at regular bus stops but only provides service by subscription, for example. If it doesn't, then the practice is illegal and unconstitutional;

Religious or other factors do not apply as an exemption if the line is public and/or sudsidized by tax dollars or open to the general public...

MH 10-23-11 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1773488)
It would be better if they kept it in temple and the home and didn't try and impose it on public transport where such discrimination is clearly illegal.

Yes it would be better.
It is the case with most orthodox Jews besides the hardcore ones.
Many orthodox Rabbis don't like the bus segregation and view it as unnecessary but there are always the hardcore zombies.

In Jerusalem you can easily ride a bus with orthodox and lite dressed women mixed together.
At rear occasions one can be asked politely to change seat to be next to a man so that woman can be next to women.
You can respect that or tell them to bugger off which happens sometimes as well.

There are also some kosher zombie lines that try to enforce the segregation mainly between strictly hardcore places...dumb as it may be.

Orthodox can be nuisance but don't have horns.

Tribesman 10-23-11 06:20 PM

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There are also some kosher zombie lines that try to enforce the segregation mainly between strictly hardcore places...dumb as it may be.
Illegal as it may be is the more accurate phrase.
Are not some of these "zombie lines" up for contempt of court for refusing to allow segregation to be "voluntary" and for refusing to post the notices that any attempts at forced segregation on their public buses are illegal?

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Orthodox can be nuisance but don't have horns.
Some Orthodox can be a nuisance. You can't paint them all the same,that would be too orthodox


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