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the_tyrant 04-20-11 04:39 PM

Kindergartner brings gun to Texas school!
 
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(CNN) -- Three kindergartners in a Houston elementary school were wounded Tuesday when a loaded handgun brought to the school by a student fell on the floor and discharged, the school district said.

None of the injuries was considered life-threatening, Houston Independent School District spokesman Jason Spencer said in a statement.

The two boys and one girl, all of them kindergarten students at Ross Elementary School, were taken to a hospital and their parents were notified, Spencer said. Two children, a boy and a girl, suffered foot wounds, and the other, a boy, was wounded in the leg.

The incident occurred in the school cafeteria at around 10:22 a.m. School district police are investigating how the 6-year-old who brought the gun to school -- one of the wounded children -- obtained the weapon, Spencer said.
Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2011/US/04/19/tex...index.html

remember when we though it was absurd a few weeks ago when the tsa decided to check a 6 year old?

Fish In The Water 04-20-11 04:46 PM

Wow... :nope:

I guess I'll ask the obvious question: What were the parents thinking? "Sure hon, leave the loaded gun laying around where little Jimmy can get a hold of it, what could go wrong?"

Platapus 04-20-11 04:47 PM

Parents like this give responsible gun owners a bad name.

I hope they go after these parents. :yep:

GoldenRivet 04-20-11 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1647547)
Parents like this give responsible gun owners a bad name.

I hope they go after these parents. :yep:

agreed, this is why guns go in safes, or on the top shelf of the closet in a lock box with a trigger lock.

personally, I didnt have unsupervised access to firearms until i was 16

Freiwillige 04-21-11 12:28 AM

Agreed. Nail the parents to the cross on this one.

Feuer Frei! 04-21-11 01:02 AM

CNN link dead.

Found thos from last year, very very similar:
http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-kinder...,2881480.story

B.O.T.:
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Officials said the children, who were struck either by a single bullet or fragments from it
SOURCE

Was wondering about this actually.
How 3 people could get hurt by this.
1 i could understand, mayyybee 2, but 3?
Anyone confirm this can indeed happen? 1 bullet, 3 hits, by a dropped weapon? Or fragments?

Not to lessen the fact that thank God no-one was seriously injured, or worse, killed.

onelifecrisis 04-21-11 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1647547)
Parents like this give responsible gun owners a bad name.

"responsible gun owners" :haha:

That's a good one! :O:

CptLolPants 04-21-11 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis (Post 1647794)
"responsible gun owners" :haha:

That's a good one! :O:

Not sure if troll.

Molon Labe 04-21-11 02:40 PM

If responding with an F-bomb is an understandable and entirely appropriate response, then yes, it's a troll.

GoldenRivet 04-21-11 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis (Post 1647794)
"responsible gun owners" :haha:

That's a good one! :O:

They exist.

You can tell a responsible gun owner when you go to his home, and perhaps aside from the 200 year old antique musket above his fireplace mantle, you can't really tell whether or not he actually owns any working guns.

Ducimus 04-21-11 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1647547)
Parents like this give responsible gun owners a bad name.

I hope they go after these parents. :yep:

This. Never leave your home defense piece somewhere where Junior can get his grubby mitts on it.

mookiemookie 04-21-11 03:59 PM

The gun did not belong to the parents:

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=8085925

http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/prod...ce_kit_mat.jpg

GoldenRivet 04-21-11 03:59 PM

http://www.gunsafereviews.org/wp-con...e-Gun-Safe.jpg

problem solved for only $99.95

Ducimus 04-21-11 04:05 PM

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Police believe the kindergartener who took the loaded gun to school got it from a family friend.
That's a little vauge mookie. I'm having a hard time swallowing that an adult gave this kid a loaded handgun. It is a reasonable conclusion that either the kid lifted the gun off an adult without their knowing, OR the "family friend" is another kid who did the same.

edit:
I'd be lying if i said i never played with my dads firearms as a kid without him knowing. I was a sneaky bugger, i found the key to the gun safe. I never did anything stupid (I was mischevious, but not stupid), but I figure If i did that little bit of sneaking around, my kid would do the same. Id expect no less from a chip off the old block, or any other kid for that matter.

GoldenRivet 04-21-11 04:19 PM

i have always subscribed to the notion that if a child is to grow up with respect for something he should be introduced to it early.

allow your kid to have a beer once in a while when he is 13 years old. dont let him get trashed mind you... dont hook him up with a can of beer every week... but one twelve ounce can of beer with the old man around a camp fire, or one can of beer on some other special occasion wont kill him. it yanks the mystique out of alcohol. it makes it less risque and mysterious.

the same applies to guns

Allow your kid to accompany you to the gun range, or on a hunting trip when he is a curious child. Buy him a .22 and let him shoot it under strictly controlled supervision.

when you allow kids to do these things in moderation - they usually grow up to look at it as being no big deal. thereby finding it easier to resist the temptation and peer pressure to get drunk, or to play with a gun.

face it, kids do things like that because they are curious about the forbidden fruit aspect. its appealing to them because it is strictly off limits.


EDIT:

on the case of it not belonging to the parents... thats what makes my statements here more sensible. the kid could theoretically find himself in a situation to receive a gun from anyone... a neighbor kid, a friend, a friend of the family who was watching the kids for a couple of hours. it might not come from the parents, so the kid has to be equipped - raised - to believe that guns are not this forbidden, tempting thing.

like my mom told me once "You can't watch your kid all the time."

onelifecrisis 04-21-11 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CptLolPants (Post 1648187)
Not sure if troll.

Haha, that's cute, especially from someone who registered only days ago and has a whopping 8 posts worth of experience here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molon Labe (Post 1648194)
If responding with an F-bomb is an understandable and entirely appropriate response, then yes, it's a troll.

I didn't see anyone drop an F-bomb. :hmmm:

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet (Post 1648261)
They exist.

You can tell a responsible gun owner when you go to his home, and perhaps aside from the 200 year old antique musket above his fireplace mantle, you can't really tell whether or not he actually owns any working guns.

Well if you say so GR, but that seems a little off topic. Back on track, here are some ways to prevent your child from getting his or her hands on your gun:

1) Keep the gun locked in a safe protected by DNA-sampling, eye-scanning, voice-sampling technology. And never, ever forget to put it in there after you're done playing with it.
2) Don't own a gun.

The second one seems a lot simpler to me. :up:

GoldenRivet 04-21-11 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by onelifecrisis (Post 1648316)
Well if you say so GR, but that seems a little off topic. Back on track, here are some ways to prevent your child from getting his or her hands on your gun:

1) Keep the gun locked in a safe protected by DNA-sampling, eye-scanning, voice-sampling technology. And never, ever forget to put it in there after you're done playing with it.
2) Don't own a gun.

The second one seems a lot simpler to me. :up:

To each his own in that regard.

I could avoid being in a car accident by not owning a car, but i chose to own one.

Electing not to own a gun is just as much of a right as owning one is, and i fully respect your decision not to own one.

but the funny thing is you never see attempts to pass legislation requiring you to buy a firearm... the opposite is constantly true.

As for the gun safe: i think DNA / retinal scan / voice recognition lock tech is a little much for storage of just about anything in any average home.

a 4 to 6 digit pin code lock like the one i linked to earlier for only $80-100 will suffice. unfortunately, many people chose not to use locks at all.

for a large gun collection a rifle safe with a combination lock should do the job. (I didn't have the combination to my dad's rifle safe until i was 21 years old! despite the fact that guns I OWNED were inside of it)

I elect not to lock any of my firearms meant for immediate home defense, and why should i? i don't have children about.

but if there are children routinely in the home for any reason - whether they reside there, or you baby sit them once in a while... lock up any and all firearms.

onelifecrisis 04-21-11 06:34 PM

Fair point with the car accident, GR. My counter: a car serves a practical purpose, a gun does not. Yes, you can shoot deer with it. Or you can just buy venison from the supermarket (much easier IMO). Yes, you can defend yourself with it... and tell me, how many times have you ever had to? I often see gun owners on this forum talking macho about what would or would not happen if someone tried to break into their house, molest their daughters, or whatever, but has any of that actually ever happened to you? Ever? Yes a car can kill, but that's not what it's designed for and driving to work is something I have to do every day - how many days a week do you have to shoot someone?

GoldenRivet 04-21-11 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by onelifecrisis (Post 1648352)
Yes, you can shoot deer with it. Or you can just buy venison from the supermarket (much easier IMO)

While it is true that it is easy to go to the supermarket to buy venison, and there are many many people who elect to do that, there are some who prefer the sport and thrill of the hunt, and the satisfaction of cleaning and preparing their own meat - about 100 lbs worth in total - that will last their family many months for next to zero overhead cost. the price of venison at the supermarket for a similar amount of meat would be astounding.

Quote:

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis (Post 1648352)
Yes, you can defend yourself with it... and tell me, how many times have you ever had to?

I've never had to. on the same note, I've never had to put a fire out with the fire extinguisher i keep in my truck either. I hope i dont ever have to.

on the other hand i do know a man who has *3 times* had to defend himself and his wife from immediate danger using his firearm as a deterrent. (he has not fired it in defense)

Quote:

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis (Post 1648352)
I often see gun owners on this forum talking macho about what would or would not happen if someone tried to break into their house, molest their daughters, or whatever, but has any of that actually ever happened to you? Ever? Yes a car can kill, but that's not what it's designed for and driving to work is something I have to do every day - how many days a week do you have to shoot someone?

again, see the fire extinguisher reference above. I keep one in my truck - never had to use it. but the worst day of my life would be listening to my wife scream as she burned in a car fire i would have otherwise been able to prevent if i were equipped with a fire extinguisher. (It happened to one of my mom's friends and her grandson - both dead now because they were trapped and had no way to combat the flames while waiting for help)

Im not macho about home defense, and it takes a fool to talk a big talk about all the rambo stuff they would do to an intruder. You never know what might happen in the scenario of home invasion.

but i would rather be equipped to deal with the threat than not be.

you can bet anything that a home intruder is prepared to do harm to you and those you love... shouldnt it stand to reason that you should be prepared to prevent it?

i certainly think so.

and while any defense scenario can unravel - i think the logic of preparation is infallible - and you can never be too prepared.

Ducimus 04-21-11 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis (Post 1648316)
1) Keep the gun locked in a safe protected by DNA-sampling, eye-scanning, voice-sampling technology. And never, ever forget to put it in there after you're done playing with it.
2) Don't own a gun.

The second one seems a lot simpler to me. :up:

Since your presumably from England as your location says as much, i suppose the 2nd option makes alot of sense to you. However to an American, it does not. Our culture has its colonial roots you know.

http://americanvision.org/wp-content...ment-rifle.jpg

http://www.willowtown.com/promo/jap%20general.jpeg


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