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Freiwillige 03-02-11 08:33 PM

Lets play world war II mix and match!
 
You are the rich country of (Insert name Here)

You get to model your Infantry,Armored divisions, air forces and navy, logistics, Artillery and command structure after real WWII models to build the perfect 1944 military. You'r nation has the rights to build the equipment they had.

Country (Norseway) :D
Infantry - German - 1944 model
Armored divisions -German 1944 model
Air Force - US 1944 model
Navy- US 43\45 model
Artillery US-1944 model
Command model - OKW 1943\44
Logistics US - 44' model

August 03-02-11 09:57 PM

USA all the way baby!

I'm serious.

It'd been nice to see an earlier deployment of Pershing and Chaffee tanks of course (not to mention The A-Bomb) but I don't see any foreign branch of service as superior to ours by the end of the war.

But for purposes of argument, leaving my home country out of the mix:

Latest and/or Greatest models
County - The United States of Augusto (USofA)
Infantry - German
Armor - Soviet
Air Force - British
Navy - British
Artillery - Soviet
Command model - Roman (I love multiples of 10) with a Napoleonic General Staff.
Logistics - British

yubba 03-02-11 10:01 PM

that would make a great sim game 2 person dueller. been trying to rig 2 computers with destroyer command, take a look at ACEs HIGH 2

Freiwillige 03-02-11 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August (Post 1610855)
USA all the way baby!

I'm serious.

It'd been nice to see an earlier deployment of Pershing and Chaffee tanks of course (not to mention The A-Bomb) but I don't see any foreign branch of service as superior to ours by the end of the war.

But for purposes of argument, leaving my home country out of the mix:

Latest and/or Greatest models
County - The United States of Augusto (USofA)
Infantry - German
Armor - Soviet
Air Force - British
Navy - British
Artillery - Soviet
Command model - Roman (I love multiples of 10) with a Napoleonic General Staff.
Logistics - British

Armor soviet? I got two words for you GERMAN OPTICS!

Command Model - Roman:rock:

Sledgehammer427 03-02-11 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freiwillige (Post 1610860)
Command Model - Roman:rock:

Country - Humbug.

Infantry - Fallschirmjager 1944
Armor - German
Air Force - American, but add in later model BF-109's
Navy - German, with better admirals.
Artillery - American, circa 1945
Logistics - Soviet, when they got their act together.

Ducimus 03-02-11 10:27 PM

USAF didn't exist in WW2. Although you had the Army Air Corp.
( I have no idea why im spiltting hairs on this, i just am. )

TLAM Strike 03-02-11 10:36 PM

Country Tlamistan
Infantry - German
Armored divisions - German
Air Force - German
Navy- British
Artillery - Russian
Command model - German
Logistics - US

gimpy117 03-02-11 10:53 PM

if the germans could build panthers like we built shermans the war would have gone different. plus the upgrage for the king tiger they had planned

August 03-02-11 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimpy117 (Post 1610896)
if the germans could build panthers like we built shermans the war would have gone different. plus the upgrage for the king tiger they had planned

I dunno about that. I doubt tank numbers and improvements alone would have changed the outcome of the war. Even an Abrams becomes just a fancy pill box once it's fuel runs out.

August 03-02-11 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freiwillige (Post 1610860)
Armor soviet? I got two words for you GERMAN OPTICS!

The quality of German armor is well known but the Russians put out some darn good tanks too, especially towards the end of the war, and the T-34 proved to be a far more versatile weapons platform than anything else on either side.

Feuer Frei! 03-02-11 11:19 PM

Country-DeutscheKraftWerks
Infantry - German
Armored divisions - German
Air Force - German
Navy- German
Artillery - German
Command model - German
Logistics - US

Freiwillige 03-03-11 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August (Post 1610910)
The quality of German armor is well known but the Russians put out some darn good tanks too, especially towards the end of the war, and the T-34 proved to be a far more versatile weapons platform than anything else on either side.

While the T-34 was the tank of its day that everybody else scrambled to cope with there is little doubt that by mid 44' the German's held the upper hand in armor design in anything but numbers.

Also the doctrines of the armored forces were different. The Germans had the tank destroyer role down to an art form with their Stug's, Jagdpanthers, Hetzers, Jagdpanzer IV's, Hummels which no other Army of the time had many equivalent. The American M-10's and M-18's were good.

The Soviets still thought of their armored corps as heavy break through and exploit force and put only a second emphasis on Armored to Armored showdowns.

But back to German optics. The Germans could see farther and more accurately then their oposition, couple that with the hitting power of the 75mm and 88mm guns and you can see why the Germans preferred an ambush tactic engaging and knocking out Soviet armor at 2,000+ Meters

Soviet optics were usually 3 or 4x German optics were 8 and 12X and much better quality.

Tank for tank I would say the Panther is the best compromise of everything in a WWII battle tank. Armored protection, Gun, Rate of fire, cross country maneuverability and speed.

I would make it my choice over even the IS-2 heavy tanks the Soviets fielded at wars end.

By the way the medium Panther and heavy IS-2 were actually about the same tonnage!

August 03-03-11 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freiwillige (Post 1610953)
While the T-34 was the tank of its day that everybody else scrambled to cope with there is little doubt that by mid 44' the German's held the upper hand in armor design in anything but numbers.

The T34/85, especially the late war models like the T-43 and T-44 was a perfectly fine tank that did fine against German armor. Maybe it wasn't the absolute best in all areas but it was tough and reliable and easy to mass produce. The Germans were tough but not as reliable or as easily produced. High quality always takes more time.

Soviet doctrine and tactics are irrelevant. Augustos armored units would be led by Romans, not Bolsheviks.

TheSatyr 03-03-11 01:38 AM

Country-Los Boomer

Infantry-German
Armored-German
Air Force-USA
Navy-Japan
Artillery-USSR
Command Model-German
Logistics-USA

Sailor Steve 03-03-11 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus (Post 1610874)
USAF didn't exist in WW2. Although you had the Army Air Corp.
( I have no idea why im spiltting hairs on this, i just am. )

Actually the USAAC became the USAAF in June 1941. So he just left out an extra 'A'.

Snestorm 03-03-11 05:13 AM

Infantry = Germany
Armor = Russia
Air = USA
Navy = USA
Logistics = USA
Artillery = USA
Command = Germany

Oberon 03-03-11 07:28 AM

Country: The Empire of Wotsitstan
Infantry = Germany
Armor = Germany
Air = Britain
Navy = Britain
Logistics = USA
Artillery = Russian
Command = Germany

Raptor1 03-03-11 07:33 AM

Erm, let's see.

Country: Hanseatic League of Northern Bigfootia

Infantry - German 43/44 (Panzergrenadiers?)
Armour - Soviet 44/45
Air - US 44/45 (If I could break it down I'll probably say Strategic Air - US 44/45 and Tactical Air - Soviet 44/45, though in the latter category I'm not absolutely decided as to who had it better)
Navy - US 44/45
Logistics - US 44/45
Artillery - Soviet 44/45
Command - Prussia 1866...Well, okay, Soviet 44/45 (You're all really taking the German Command? Are you forgetting how messed up it was?)

And if you'll allow me to add:

Tactical Command and Training - Germany 42/43
Operational Doctrine - Soviet 44/45

HunterICX 03-03-11 07:49 AM

Nation: Zod
National Anthem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKofKCziiG4

Infantry: German Motorized Infantry
Armour: German Panzers, Assault Guns and Tank Destroyers
Artillery: Soviet 1944/45
Air: RAF
Navy: RN
Logistics: US 1944/45
Command: General Patton

HunterICX

Feuer Frei! 03-03-11 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raptor1 (Post 1611086)
(You're all really taking the German Command? Are you forgetting how messed up it was?)

It was only messed up because Hitler decided to appoint himself Commander-in-Chief of the German Army.
Back in 1941, which kind of made sense since that is when Germany started to slide downhill.
It is a well-known fact that had Hitler not intervened so much on the ground and let his Generals and Commanders dictate the battles more directly, then Germany could have, and imo would have done much much better.
Prime example: the drive on Moscow.
Germany had excellent Military Commanders, Rommel, Heinz Guderian, and Erich von Manstein come to mind.


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