Indonesia: Angry Muslim crowd attacks Java churches
 

More than 1,000 Muslim protesters have stormed a courthouse and burned two churches in central Java, Indonesia.

The attacks in Temanggung happened after a Christian man was sentenced to five years in jail for distributing leaflets deemed insulting to Islam.

Indonesian police said the crowd considered the sentence too lenient and were demanding the death penalty.

The incident came two days after Muslim villagers in western Java killed three members of a minority Islamic sect.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12393075

Note: 8 February 2011 Last updated at 12:21 GMT

you know i was just thinking - what we need in this world is more angry muslim crowds. Hooray for the religion of peace:woot:

I understand exactly how you thought, :yep:

Castout might be in trouble....

No No No this act is because of government oppression. Remember tolerance and kindness begets tolerance and kindness. Give it more time and keep telling yourself "we'll all be singin' kumbaya any moment now", "we'll all be singin' kumbaya any moment now" Keep those happy thoughts a flowin' :yeah:

Three days a go, a huge Coptian cathedral in Rafah, Egypt , was stomed by a mob, robbed, people beaten up, too, and in the end it got set ablaze.

If you do some intentional background research, then you will quickly see that this kind of stuff is happening in the Muslim world week in, week out. Our media cover most of it not. 2009 and 2010 had been found by conting incidents and victims to have been especially dedicated highlights in the constant persuction of Christainbs and Jews in the Muslim world.

But in Germany, some person was denied return nto public office service, at a reception or a counter, because when it retruned from holidays it insisted on wearing an all covering burkha. Big scnadal! News messages n every media! Some left politicians spitting venom over it!

That in 2010 more Christians needed to flee from Muslim countries or from violent persecution than ever b efore in the past 50 years, and that more Christioans than ever before in these 50 had been slain by Muslim lynch mobs from Asia over the Middle East to North Africa, got noted only in some small and tiny lines here and there - if it got commented on at all. I heared more professors and Islam experts assuring the camera that Islam is a peaceful relgion and that we should not create artifical obstacles to it by calling Muslim terror as what it is: Muslim terror.

^ the Religion of Peace hard at work :yep:

Fun lov'in bunch they are! :yeah:

So is this the same 1000 strong mob that burned down the mosque and killed the muslims?

Everyone from dictators to religious groups think they do God service. Peace loving christians have had their crusade. Hitler thought he was just finishing up where christians left off and now it's the muslims turn. 'cept I think this one is eventually going world wide.

Isn't it that already by claim, and almost that by deed? I mean it is integral part of the ideologic agenda. Muhammad said participation is mandatory for Muhameddan males. No wonder - he did not need an army of deserters, did he.

This is, unfortunately, a common occurrence in Indonesia. As there is a religious court, which operates independently of the main law courts, religious minorities can be abused by both the mobs and the courts!

It is reported on here in Australia to a degree, but hardly gets a full page to it's self.

Hitler Just disliked the jews.

When it comes to the crusades, the entire WORLD wasn't a really safe place to be. Now, In a time when most major countries want peace...Islam is wanting war. So i feel it's different.

Not only there, but on all continents. Most action takes place in Africa, last year Nigeria was often in the news, was it, with hundreds killed, the genocide against Christians in North-East Africa not mentioned. Events of suppression, mobbing, discrimination of Jewish and Christian minorities, and the occasional assassination on the street, you see taking place in many countries of Islam, even those that are considered to be "pro-Western", like Turkey or Egypt.

Any how could it be different? discrimination the infidels and making them feel subordinate is demanded in their damn holy book, black on white. They just follow the demand of their precious peaceful tolerant "religion".

Not all "Muslims" claiming to be Muslims agree with doing so. But these Muslims - are in violation of the ideology they claim to represent. The Quran does not know tolerance on the basis of equal status between Islam and other cultures. It speaks of tolerance in the form the master tolerates his submissive and obedient dog. If the dog refuses to obey and be dismissive and gets stubborn when being treated as an inferior, the Quran calls for violence against those resisting Islam.

Pragmatic, isn't it!? It's the freedom and the peace of a slave that Islam is allowing us infidels.

On Hitler and the Jews, Islam is antisemitic from all beginning on. Since ,Muhammad felt he was offended by the Jewish pharisees when they showed him their education was superior to his own, he hated them, and let them feel it. I see this biographic detail of Muhammad's life as the basic root of Islam's antisemitism - like anything in the Quran can only be understood and must be seen in the light of Muhammad's life and his political motivations. That's why "Muhammeddanism" still is the far more precise label for what is referred to as "Islam".

The crusades, since gimpy mentioned them, initially started as a defensive action to retake ground that was lost to the Islamic conquest. That was the original motivation for it. Not before later, the crusades turned from this to more opportunistic wars of the noble to win personal wealth, fame and new land. But without Islamic aggression first, the first crusades would not have taken place. If one calls the crusades war of aggression, one could as well call the reconquista in Spain, the throwing out of Islamic conquerors from Southern Italy and Greece, the defeat of Muslim armies in middle France, and the defense of Vienna, wars of Christian aggression.

Skybird last I looked if things keep going like they are half of all human births on this planet will be to Muslim families by 2055. And they know it. Not to mention a surge in conversions to Islam since 9-11. Yep, I'd wager by the end of the century you're either going to submit or face the caliphs blade


"Islam our religion today, your religion tomorrow"
slogan used by muslims protesting in Europe 1989

Rockstar,

demography certainly is a weapon, and like it was said that chemical weapons are the poor state's atomic bomb, demography is Islam's atomic bomb. But then again: demography has it's own inner dynamics, with consequences that were caused by it feeding back on it. The age and gender structure of current Muslim states will continue to support the energetic expansion of Islamic societies for another 2 generations, 50-60 years from now on - then said nations will be where Europe and the West are today: overaged societies with all the problematic implications we now feel in the West from that.

Some of the more ambitious Islamic leaders know that and thus push very hard to make hay while the sun is shining - for the next 5-6 decades. After that their societies again will lack the vitality to expand by aggressive movement, and they will meet the age-paralysis in a far more unprepared manner than the West meets the same problem today. Until then, we must hold out and hold our ground, somehow. Which may prove difficult, since we ourselves are currently in the declining phase of our cultural cycle, and facing even greater additional challenges than ever before: the rise of Asia and its economic potence, the shortage of ressources, the inner weakness of our culture due to the decadence eroding our will to defend the values our societies historically have emerged from.

In the thread on Egypt I just have referred to Gunnar Heihnsohn. If you happen to understand German, get one of the books I mentioned there. My argumentation regarding the power of demography mostly is due to Heihnsohn's arguments and statistical data. He is brilliant, and often underestimated.

that may have been a separate incident, against Ahmadiya people. You know Ahmadiya, the sect that has been banned in Pakistan from referring to themselves as Muslim, and in Indonesia are referred to as a heretical, or is it deviant, sect?

So perhaps i should have acknowledged that we need more of these angry mainstream muslim mobs

i was reading somewhere that most of the demographic increase in muslim societies was due not to more births, but longer lives. in other words, it is not so much the birth rate increasing as the death rate decreasing at the other end. (not so much the effect of declining infant mortality) - so there is reason to believe the muslim population increase will start to slow soon as the population ages.

Conversion, i understand is insignificant as a source of new recruits. European increase is through immigration, global muslim increase is through aging.

Starting to sound mightyly like a religious war between Islamics and non-Islamics based on that sentence. Half the Muslim and Islamic people I know denounce this so called jihad against the West. Its only these bloody crackpots in power, and their thugs, as well as crackpots on 'this side' that hype up this clash in ideals.

Not meaning to draw parallels are imply anything. But "Holding our ground against the Muslims sounds awefully like an angry, anti-semitic artist who dragged Europe into flames in the 30s and 40s.

Again I don't want to imply anything and using said name is in my opinion cliche'd when talking about this kind of thing.. but again that was my most vivid image when reading that sentence.

I would like a comment from Castout,:hmmm: