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Gerald 11-07-10 09:09 AM

Pope Defends Traditional Families as Spanish Gays Hold 'Kiss-In'
 
BARCELONA, Spain -- Pope Benedict XVI strongly defended traditional families and the rights of the unborn Sunday, directly attacking Spanish laws that allow gay marriage, fast-track divorce and easier abortions as he dedicated Barcelona's iconic church, the Sagrada Familia.

It was the second time in as many days that Benedict had criticized the policies of Spain's Socialist government and called for Europe as a whole to rediscover Christian teachings and apply them to everyday life.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/11...ays-hold-kiss/



Note:Published November 07, 2010

GoldenRivet 11-07-10 09:38 AM

this is the problem with special interest groups.

they want so badly for everyone to know they are "special" that they will do anything to draw attention to themselves.

a "Kiss-In"?

seriously?

what exactly is the point?

im serious, what - is - the - point?

who cares?

Gerald 11-07-10 09:49 AM

In some people's eyes, this could be perceived controversial, not because I have taken note of the substance, (apart from posting) but it's about more than just 'Kiss-In when in some countries it is customary to greet someone with a kiss on hand, and now he goes out in public with the vatican and see probably not take kindly

Tchocky 11-07-10 10:11 AM

Great way to protest - gets the point across without violence or negativity.

Gerald 11-07-10 10:27 AM

They have learned to hide their feelings

Platapus 11-07-10 11:08 AM

This is the problem with special interest groups.

They want so badly for everyone to know they are "special" that they will do anything to draw attention to themselves.

A large ostentatious church? Trying to push their agenda?

Seriously?

What's the point?

Gerald 11-07-10 11:13 AM

This "group" wants attention,that's all!

Takeda Shingen 11-07-10 11:25 AM

I find it amusing that the Catholic Church likes to pretend that it is still the 12th Century, and that the word of the pope is universally irresistable. What will they do, reissue the Bull of Ad abolendam and a return of the Albigensian Crusade? Silly. The Vatican is just speaking to be heard and to remind Europe that they are still there.

krashkart 11-07-10 11:34 AM

Maybe the Pope should just admit that he's kinda turned on by the whole steamy affair. :O:

Betonov 11-07-10 11:50 AM

yea sure, sometimes they go over the top with their ''we are gay and proud'' so it borders on distastefull, but I agree with them and their rights. And the level of secularisation achieved by the spanish is something to be proud of. Doing what the pope wants on national levels is idiotism

Skybird 11-07-10 12:01 PM

I wish gay activists would stop with their narcisstic self-dramatisation, and the church would stop claiming powers that it does not deserve.

When a pope talks about protection of family values (I'm all for prioritizing families due to their overwhelming importance for the scoial community's future), he is not so much aboit family interests, but powerinterests of the church and the control it wants to have over people, and the status it claims for itself in society. And when gay activists launch another CSD or a Kiss-in or a nude parade, they are not about civil rights and equality, but their very own little climax of the day, and enjoying to be naughty in public without the public being allowed to express disgust. That's such a kick!

The church and it's orders are not holy. And there is no explicit reason for gay "pride", there is no merit in being gay (or hetero - it is like your skin colour: some have this colour, others have that - what's there to be "proud" of?). Both religion and sexual orientation should be left where it belongs - inside people's private chamber.

So will both of you two freaks, gay activists and church alike, stop annoying the vast majorit of us, please!

And btw, dear Mr. Ratzinger, a figure that still condemns the containing of HIV by using condoms, and still is committed to increasing the biggest crime in human history - pushing global population explosion and all the miserable suffering that it causes by the hundreds of millions every year - has not the smallest moral authority himself to lecture others about moral values.

Tchocky 11-07-10 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1531293)
And there is no explicit reason for gay "pride", there is no merit in being gay (or hetero - it is like your skin colour: some have this colour, others have that - what's there to be "proud" of?)

Simple really - gay pride exists because gay shame exists. It's a funny version of Newton's Third Law of Motion :)

Quote:

And when gay activists launch another CSD or a Kiss-in or a nude parade, they are not about civil rights and equality, but their very own little climax of the day, and enjoying to be naughty in public without the public being allowed to express disgust. That's such a kick!
Agreed on the church not having any authority here, but I don't see why a) the public is "not allowed" to express disgust, or b) why this protest should be seen as disgusting.

Buddahaid 11-07-10 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1531293)
And btw, dear Mr. Ratzinger, a figure that still condemns the containing of HIV by using condoms, and still is committed to increasing the biggest crime in human history - pushing global population explosion and all the miserable suffering that it causes by the hundreds of millions every year - has not the smallest moral authority himself to lecture others about moral values.

The catholic church and all Christianity, is geared toward ensuring your afterlife in heaven, not easing your earthly burdens. That is the reason for self denial and self-inflicted pain amongst certain monks. By suffering on earth you reap the rewards of heaven.

Not my cup of tea, but bearing that in mind allows some understanding of the motives.

GoldenRivet 11-07-10 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1531262)
This is the problem with special interest groups.

They want so badly for everyone to know they are "special" that they will do anything to draw attention to themselves.

A large ostentatious church? Trying to push their agenda?

Seriously?

What's the point?

EXACTLY

nikimcbee 11-07-10 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1531293)
I wish gay activists would stop with their narcisstic self-dramatisation, and the church would stop claiming powers that it does not deserve.

When a pope talks about protection of family values (I'm all for prioritizing families due to their overwhelming importance for the scoial community's future), he is not so much aboit family interests, but powerinterests of the church and the control it wants to have over people, and the status it claims for itself in society. And when gay activists launch another CSD or a Kiss-in or a nude parade, they are not about civil rights and equality, but their very own little climax of the day, and enjoying to be naughty in public without the public being allowed to express disgust. That's such a kick!

The church and it's orders are not holy. And there is no explicit reason for gay "pride", there is no merit in being gay (or hetero - it is like your skin colour: some have this colour, others have that - what's there to be "proud" of?). Both religion and sexual orientation should be left where it belongs - inside people's private chamber.

So will both of you two freaks, gay activists and church alike, stop annoying the vast majorit of us, please!

And btw, dear Mr. Ratzinger, a figure that still condemns the containing of HIV by using condoms, and still is committed to increasing the biggest crime in human history - pushing global population explosion and all the miserable suffering that it causes by the hundreds of millions every year - has not the smallest moral authority himself to lecture others about moral values.

:salute: agree 100%

Safe-Keeper 11-07-10 04:07 PM

Quote:

im serious, what - is - the - point?

who cares?
Was that rhetorical, or do you actually fail to understand the point of gay rallies?

"What was the point of African-Americans sitting in the middle of the street during the Civil Rights Movement? What was the deal with those oddball peace protesters burning piles of draft notes? What's up with this inexplicable pride felt by those weirdos who recently have made incredible leaps forward in their fight for tolerance and rights in such a short span of time? Seriously, what's it all about?"

Quote:

Agreed on the church not having any authority here, but I don't see why a) the public is "not allowed" to express disgust, or b) why this protest should be seen as disgusting.
Because he openly dislikes gays; it's that old "I don't mind them, just so long as they stay in the closet where I don't have to see them" deal. I have strong feelings that he would not find an inter-racial kiss-in or an Atheist Free Hugs Day nearly as irking.

Quote:

this is the problem with special interest groups.

they want so badly for everyone to know they are "special" that they will do anything to draw attention to themselves.
Did you actually read what you quoted?

"BARCELONA, Spain -- Pope Benedict XVI strongly defended traditional families and the rights of the unborn Sunday, directly attacking Spanish laws that allow gay marriage, fast-track divorce and easier abortions as he dedicated Barcelona's iconic church, the Sagrada Familia."

But sure, it has nothing to do with civil rights, or homosexuals feeling chastised -- they just happened to have a pep rally right when the Pope made a visit.

Jimbuna 11-07-10 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1531270)
I find it amusing that the Catholic Church likes to pretend that it is still the 12th Century, and that the word of the pope is universally irresistable. What will they do, reissue the Bull of Ad abolendam and a return of the Albigensian Crusade? Silly. The Vatican is just speaking to be heard and to remind Europe that they are still there.

Precisely :yep:

GoldenRivet 11-07-10 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper (Post 1531404)
Was that rhetorical, or do you actually fail to understand the point of gay rallies?

"What was the point of African-Americans sitting in the middle of the street during the Civil Rights Movement? What was the deal with those oddball peace protesters burning piles of draft notes? What's up with this inexplicable pride felt by those weirdos who recently have made incredible leaps forward in their fight for tolerance and rights in such a short span of time? Seriously, what's it all about?"

My point is i think there is a LOT less racism, sexism, and hate than a lot of these groups put on.

If my next door neighbor likes it up the rear thats his problem. What do i care???:salute:

If my neighbor is a "God warrior", thats his problem, i dont give a hoot.

i think the thought process by a lot of people - even a lot of people here at subsim is this - if you are a white christian... you hate everyone and want to push your ideals onto them. that couldn't be further from the truth in a lot of people's cases.

if a man wants to rest another mans ball sack on his chin, who cares? as long as children are not being exposed to it or such conduct is not taking place in public, who cares?

If the Catholic church feels the need to defend the "traditional family" with which they are accustomed, who is that hurting? seriously, who gives a rat's anus?

I'm just tired of hearing about everyone's "plight" be it real or imagined.

Tchocky 11-07-10 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet (Post 1531409)
If the Catholic church feels the need to defend the "traditional family" with which they are accustomed, who is that hurting? seriously, who gives a rat's anus?

Well, if the Church are attacking the laws defend gay marriage and attempting to influence legislation, then it's hurting gays who want to get married.

GoldenRivet 11-07-10 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tchocky (Post 1531419)
Well, if the Church are attacking the laws defend gay marriage and attempting to influence legislation, then it's hurting gays who want to get married.

Thats what the pope does.

Did it result in the law being changed?

no

will it?

I HIGHLY doubt it.

this isnt the 1300s

im not defending either position, im actually sort of shooting both positions down.

i think they are both equally ridiculous.


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