ObamaCare - The New Perspective
 

Now that the Democrats have been handily rebuked, we are left with the question of the healthcare bill passed last year. Republicans are singing "repeal" while Democrats are expressing little regret.

What say you? Repeal ObamaCare?

And if so, do you support ANY healthcare overhaul? What ideas do YOU have?

I voted no because I would only support a repeal in place of a single payer system.

I don't think they have given any time to see if this new system even works.

Send Obama here and we'll send you ours call it leaders exchange.


Only permanent. . .I'm not being subjective, emotional or fanatical about the person or even his personality as I don't believe in a man cult but what he's trying to accomplish and do. The other American leaders I'd love to have are Martin Luther King Jr and JFK but some Americans shot them to death for scaring them to death with their ideals . . .

If this is now not implemented and wont be if it is repelled, so this actaully means, that if I, having an asthma and a hightened cancer and diabetes risk due to fammily history, wouldnt get an insurance and probibly had to take a masive loan just to cover my medical bill if I brake my leg. I'm sorry my dear americans, but that is medieval

Bernanke wants to print another 900 billion, media report. Isn't that the real story to discuss?

In the end, the question of whether or not private persons have health insurrance in America, is of no direct importance for Europeans. What is of intrest for us is all American decision-making that effects the international economic and financial market, the deficit, the substantial structural problems, the attempt of the Fed to artifically devalue the dollar (ironiocally what they accuse the Chinese of), the debt burden. All these characteristics of present America - costs all other nations and economies much much money.

As long as the Fed is allowed to go on rampage whenever it wants, any disucssion about the costs of the health reform being too huge, is almost pointless, and more a controvery about pure ideologics.

Forbes magazine, btw, today has released it'S list of most powerful people in the world. 1st place is no longer the US president, but the Chinese premier Hu. With US finances constantly detoriating and leading the country into increasing dependency from foreign nations, that is unlikely to change again soon.

No we're not left with that question at all. The Dem's still control the Senate and have veto power in the White House. It's not being repealed.

The CBO estimates that nationwide Romneycare will cut the deficit by $1.3 billion over 20 years. How would the newly-minted deficit hawks pay for a repeal?

I'm with TLAM - I would only be in favor of repeal in exchange for a single payer system. Make no mistake, this bill was a bloated piece of garbage written by insurance companies, but there are pieces of it that do good.

A repeal won't happen. Its red meat political posturing, but logistically there is no way to have it occur.

However, its important to remember that each portion of Congress has within its purvue certain responsibilities. The House of Representatives controls the purse strings. What you will see is the HoR refuse to fund the various agencies and points of the bill, keeping it from being implimented.

For example - the "clearance house" where private insurance and government insurance will both be "sold", will not be funded. The funds to allow for "governmental health insurance" will not have any fiscal allocation. So if its not funded, no one can get it - thus it doesn't exist.

Repeal? Not happening for at least 2 years. Dead in the water? Bet on it.

A repeal most likely wont happen but I say put it to a vote and make them veto it.. make the left 'own' the legislation.

A total repeal will probably not happen however the pork and other goodies within the bill need to be removed. In short, the bill was crammed up our arses with little say. I would hope the bill is looked over again and change are made.

Oh the house will vote initially to repeal it - and the senate might actually PASS the repeal - but Obama will veto that. There will not be enough votes to override it. Once that is symbolically done, then you will see the House use the purse strings to kill it. They will also try to trim it, but nothing will get past Obama on that score. So it will have to be starved to be made to die.

The bill needs to to absolutely be repealed for many reasons.The main reason is the law is unconstitutional due to the individual mandate.Several lawsuits are in the courts and will make it to SCOTUS where most likely obamacare will thrown out due to the mandate.Most Justices on SCOTUS care about the constitution still.

Other reasons are the costs....taxes on medical equipment etc that will drive costs up, not down, the money it will cost to expan medicare etc

Once Obamacare is out, can keep the few good things such as not being able to deny for prexisting conditions, can't be dropped, can stay on parents insurance until 26 etc.

This law is one of the biggest threats to this country's future and must be eliminated at all costs.

Yet.

While i agree we need some kind of reform... this bill was clearly not a bipartisan venture and is another welfare grab taking money from those who work, and giving it to those who dont. thats all it is.

we need reform... not THIS reform.

in fact i would almost 100% support the bill if i were not FORCED under duress to buy healthcare.

I shouldn't have to pay for your health care any more than you should have to pay for mine.

We have to understand that states are challenging this bill. I think by overwhelming majority of the voters and pressure on the new powers that be...this bill will die or be drastically changed.

even i say it shouldnt "die".

there are about a half dozen things worth keeping.

on the whole though. Get rid of the mandate, give me freedom of choice - and im all in.

yet the Dems wont even budge on that.

That's what insurance is. Cancel every insurance policy you have if you don't like it.

but as yet i have the OPTION.

My wife and i would pay into private insurance so that WE can have specific coverages and options... not so that the welfare crack whore mother of 7 illegitimate children can pick and chose coverages and options.

what part of "give me the option to choose whether or not i have insurance" are you not getting?

hee hee

:D

Im basically tired of "certain members of society" getting their free ride.

Insurance is voluntary.

This law is idiotic, and is overwhelmingly negative. It also doesn't address any of the real problems. Forcing docs to see patients that they actually lose money seeing would be like forcing auto workers to build cars and pay them less than their lunches and gas money costs. Should auto-workers subsidize car prices by being paid less than their direct costs to get to and be at work?

This disincentivizes becoming a doc in the first place (negative incomes are unattractive), when a real problem is a lack of providers. Don't worry, we can mint more by lowering standards. Maybe the DO schools can crank out more poorly qualified "docs" to meet the need—don't see any too far after graduation, they are not required to re-certify like real docs.

Oh, wait, docs won't make negative incomes, they can't. In return, insurance must pay even more, which means massive premium hikes assuming your employer doesn't elect for the de facto public option in the plan of dumping people on medicaid. Have fun in the waiting room next to the guy in the orange jumpsuit and manacles.

All that without the entirely unknown stuff since most of the actual details (required to know anything about how the bill really works, or costs) are left to unelected people to decide for us. Anyone claiming to know the real net results of this bill is flat out lying, since again, very little is actually written down (amazing given the size of the bill), and is to be added by people who no not represent the people at some indeterminate time in the future.

A good law would not be nearly as long, and would have everything written down so we'd know what to expect. Any bill—or process—to work on healthcare that is not 100% transparent, with clear language, and plenty of time for the public to actually understand the bill should have been summarily rejected.

Note that Obama said as much during the campaign (he must have been lying). he said the entire process should be televised on CSPAN. He said that any healthcare solution needed to be bipartisan, it was just too important to be partisan. He said there should be no "closed door" sessions. The actual bill was passed in a completely partisan way, was incredibly opaque with votes bought in closed door sessions, and no one in congress, much less lay people could possibly have understood the bill before it was voted on.

This poll is not valid as it does not give us all the choices. Why would anyone think this question can be answered with only those two options. :nope: