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Gerald 09-07-10 01:52 PM

Pastor weighing plans to burn Qurans amid U.S. warnings
 
(CNN) -- The pastor of a Florida church planning to burn Qurans told CNN Tuesday while the congregation plans to go through with the action to protest the September 11, 2001 attack on the United States by al Qaeda, the church is "weighing" its intentions.

Terry Jones, pastor of Dove World Outreach Church in Gainesville, Florida, who was interviewed on CNN's "American Morning, said the congregation is taking seriously the warning from the U.S. military that the act could cause problems for American troops.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/09/07...ex.html?hpt=T2





Note:September 7, 2010 Updated 1415 GMT

AVGWarhawk 09-07-10 01:55 PM

What they should have done instead of spending money on copies of the Quran and Bic lighters was going out into his community using the money for something more purposeful....like feeding those in need.

Kind of ironic...World Outreach Church....yeah sure...:shifty:

The Third Man 09-07-10 02:16 PM

I'm not impressed by the World Outreach Church's actions but as an exercise of rights it is no more dispicable than building a mosque close to ground zero.

Also I am of the opinion that this will not place US troops or US citizensin in any more danger than they are already exposed to, exhibited by the multiple deaths by airplanes as bombs, beheadings, and explosive attacks.

SteamWake 09-07-10 03:05 PM

I dont get what they plan to accomplish by doing this other than pepole getting pissed off.

Kind of like the Mosque at ground zero.

Both are stupid ideas.

tater 09-07-10 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake (Post 1487304)
I dont get what they plan to accomplish by doing this other than pepole getting pissed off.

Kind of like the Mosque at ground zero.

Both are stupid ideas.

This.

Again, there is ZERO question that they are protected in their right to burn any book they like—by the same Amendment that protects the mosque-builder near the World Trade Center site. The question was never one of legality, but propriety. The difference is funny, actually. The mosque builder claimed it was a positive thing to build the mosque there—and it's not positive. The church nuts could only want to burn the koran to be offensive.

I can see good reason to burn some korans—simply to demonstrate that it is no different than any other book. It may be destroyed, and doing so is a protected right. How about burning it along with some bibles—heck, throw in some Richard Dawkins to make the fundies happy. The purpose would be freedom of expression, not anythign else.

Platapus 09-07-10 05:38 PM

I don't agree with the premise of the following. but I do like the way he wrote his position.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/9...ont-Burn-Books

Quote:

Americans Don't Burn Books.

by jamesboyce

Tue Sep 07, 2010 at 07:03:02 AM PDT

Enough is enough. Enough with the bigotry and the hate. Enough with the race-baiting and the fake debate about the Ground Zero Mosque. Enough of white Americans putting up fences to keep their fellow humans out. Enough of the birthers.




Enough is enough. Enough with the bigotry and the hate. Enough with the race-baiting and the fake debate about the Ground Zero Mosque. Enough of white Americans putting up fences to keep their fellow humans out. Enough of the birthers.


Enough of Christian hypocrites who thump their Bibles while denying men and women the right to marry the one they love. Enough of conservatives holding up the Constitution having never actually read it and preaching about one nation under God and also denying that every American has the right to worship the God of their choosing.


Enough of Progressives and Democrats who engage in these debates rather than attack these bigoted racist hypocrites. Enough of the hate-mongers getting all the attention and press.


You have to draw the line somewhere. Guess what? Now's the time.
You are entitled to your own opinion, after all, this is America and there is Freedom of Speech. But just as important, there is freedom of worship. Because of our freedoms, there, ironically, is the freedom to burn books. However.


Because we are Americans, because we defend and fight and preserve the right of free speech, because we have seen what happens in countries who don't defend these freedoms, we do not burn books. Let me repeat that.

Americans Don't Burn Books.



We print books that maybe you don't people want to read. We print books filled with hate. We print and print and print books of all kinds, but we don't burn books. By defending everyone's right to speak, we defend our right to speak. By defending everyone's right to their own religion, we defend our own right to our own religion.


We have gone to war with people who do burn books; Adolph Hitler comes to mind. Stalin. Pol Pot. There are others. Our military graveyards are full of the men and women who protected us, who gave their lives for us. Not one soldier has ever died, so we could burn books.


Americans Don't Burn Books.


And we especially don't burn the books of another person's religion.
You may or may not believe in the Bible, but if you think the Bible is the worst book in the world, as an American, you don't have to read it, you don't have to believe, no one can force you to or hold it against you if you don't, but you can not burn the Bible.


You may or may not believe in what is in the Torah. You may think the Torah is the worst book in the world, as an American, you don't have to read it, you don't have to believe it, no one can force you to, or hold it against you if you don't but you can not burn the Torah.


Buddhist books, Pagan books, Hindu books. You can't burn them.
And you can't burn the Koran.


You may or may not believe in what is in the Koran. You may think the Koran is the worst book in the world, as an American, you don't have to read it, you don't have to believe it, no one can force you to, or hold it against you if you don't but you can not burn the Koran.


I salute my friends at Human Rights First who are standing up against the bigots who would burn the Koran on 9/11
While I like how he felt, I still believe that people do have the right to burn books they own. Americans have the freedom to do many stupid and irrational things. While I find the idea of burning books stupid and irrational and abhorrent, I will support stupid and irrational people burning books that they own.

In the America I love, even the stupid people have rights. :yep:

Takeda Shingen 09-07-10 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1487404)
In the America I love, even the stupid people have rights. :yep:

That pretty much sums up my view on First Amendment rights.

The Third Man 09-07-10 05:42 PM

I think the man SkyBird has posted often on this subject. He is correct.

tater 09-07-10 05:47 PM

I had trouble even reading that screed.

Bookstores have some period when they celebrate "banned books." Least they do here. My brother in law used to do the windows for the store he worked in to pay his way through college.

The United States doesn't ban books. True. That would be against the First Amendment. The government shall not...

The people, OTOH, they can do whatever the hell they feel like.

Quote:

We have gone to war with people who do burn books; Adolph Hitler comes to mind. Stalin. Pol Pot. There are others.
He seems to miss the point that those are not people, they are States. A government burning books is entirely different than people burning books. A state compels people to burn books (or not own them) on pain of death or loss of liberty. That's all the difference in the world.

Wonder how the kos people reacted to the artistic equivalent of burning the koran—putting a cross in a jar of piss, for example? I'd be interested to know, since the left can always be counted on to defend first principles for Islam, but never for the religion they really hate, Christianity.

Note I have no dog in the fight, being an atheist.

Factor 09-07-10 05:47 PM

I'll bring the marshmellows.......

tater 09-07-10 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Factor (Post 1487415)
I'll bring the marshmellows.......

I'd imagine the burning ink would give them a bad taste :)

Maybe they could burn eco-korans made with soy ink?

Factor 09-07-10 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tater (Post 1487416)
I'd imagine the burning ink would give them a bad taste :)

?


Yea, you are proberly right, I will just stay home. LOL Proberly a good idea too as I would not be a bit surprised if a group of radical muslims show up with bombs and machine guns.....:o

Takeda Shingen 09-07-10 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Factor (Post 1487433)
Proberly a good idea too as I would not be a bit surprised if a group of radical muslims show up with bombs and machine guns.....:o

I'd be very surprised if that happened.

tater 09-07-10 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1487443)
I'd be very surprised if that happened.

Yeah, so unlikely as to be nearly absurd.

That said, people getting killed elsewhere (out of US) because of it? Not unlikely at all.

Takeda Shingen 09-07-10 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tater (Post 1487463)
That said, people getting killed elsewhere (out of US) because of it? Not unlikely at all.

I would agree that this would be extreemly likely. Not a good time to go hiking on the Pakistani border.

Factor 09-07-10 06:34 PM

I know it wont happen, but if it did, lets say, I will never doubt anything "couldn't" happen after 9-11. :know:

tater 09-07-10 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1487465)
I would agree that this would be extreemly likely. Not a good time to go hiking on the Pakistani border.

Oddly enough, they usually kill each other. Or their neighbors, anyway.

All we hear from terror-associated groups like CAIR is to worry about "islamophobia" or mistreatment of muslims. They slaughter Americans wholesale on 9-11, and what happens? Pogroms? Nope, nothing. Imams get invited to the WH to lead prayers. Meanwhile, cartoons are published, and they riot and kill back home.

Bottom line is that the worst anti-muslim in the West is only likely to engage in rhetoric, not violence---or even threats of violence. The same cannot be said in reverse, where freedom of expression--in free countries--gets people murdered (Theo van Gogh, for example, or fatwas against Rushdie).

Blood_splat 09-07-10 07:56 PM

These church members better be careful because they might lose their heads over this. Look at the crazy guy who stabbed a Muslim cab driver over the building of the Mosque. And that was only one crazy guy, think of all the radical Muslims who might snap.

Castout 09-07-10 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blood_splat (Post 1487522)
These church members better be careful because they might lose their heads over this. Look at the crazy guy who stabbed a Muslim cab driver over the building of the Mosque. And that was only one crazy guy, think of all the radical Muslims who might snap.

And perhaps it would not just the Americans that would be in most and immediate danger.
We've got a lot of those radicals Muslim here with their organizations that I guess would love to burn some bibles or even some church buildings, the authorities are being soft with these radicals though many moderates condemn them through the media.

Aramike 09-07-10 08:26 PM

Whether or not the burning is "right" aside, the fact that it would indeed incite many in the Muslim world to violence is the overarching problem here.


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