Obama supports "Ground Zero Mosque" (of course he does)
 

Obama supports the Ground Zero Mosque, BIG SUPRISE :har:

What scum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZOIB...eature=popular

President of the United States supports the upholding of the Constitution of the United States, news at 10.

Oh, wait, I forgot you've had eight years of Bush:O:.

Bush was better than Obama I can tell you this much.

http://cdn.ihatethemedia.com/wp-cont...iss-me-yet.jpg

Yes we do.

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How many of those do you have, Oberon?

So lemme see if I understand this.

The "big government should stay out of small businesses" people are now wanting the government to butt into a small business?

This is a private piece of property, properly zoned. A private group is intending to use their own money to build something that is legal on this private property. And some people are actually wanting the government to "do something" about this? :doh::doh::doh::doh:

FYI: The word hypocrisy comes from the Greek ὑπόκρισις (hypokrisis), which means "play-acting", "acting out", "coward" or "dissembling".

Jus trying to understand this position.

Well, you won't get far that way. You must first understand that it is not what you or I would define as a "position". It's not a universal standard or anything like that. It's an amalgamation of varied and often contradictory opinions promoted by the varied and often conflicting interests that make up a large portion of the electorate and the party that represents them. It's like that other party that is the same thing.

The closest thing to a "position" represented here is that people want this country to be the way they want it to be, even if it means undermining part of what they love about this country. I hate to ever underestimate anyone's intelligence, but I do believe they may not have put much thought into this.

I think it's a slap in the face for the loved ones of those who died on that tragic day!:nope: IMO!

Fascinating. He never once said he supported the mosque itself. As Safe-Keeper pointed out, the only thing he supported was the Constitution.

So upholding the Constitution makes him scum? Fascinating.

Let's test his love for the Constitution:hmmm: Time to build a large synagouge, and large Christian Church (pick your denomination) all next to each other. We can celabrate all faiths.

...with a Texas BBQ across the street for post service dinner.

This is not about the constitution.This is about stopping a mosque which will be led by a radical Imam from being built close to Ground Zero.This is about stopping a gigantic "**** YOU" from being built near "Ground Zero" Liberals so obessessed with "tolerance" of an intolerant religion are just ignorant of what this mosque actually is.Pretty much what is going on here.Muslims know they can't win be traditional methods, they are using our "tolerance" against us and it is just disgusting.I promise you our founding fathers would have found this unacceptable.Funny Obama pushes an unconstitutional health care law yet invokes the constitution in the video.Scum, nothing more.:damn:

Say what you want about GW Bush but he loved America and would not support this crap as President. I was not a big fan, he let things get so bad America lost it's damn mind for a bit and elected Obama.Kind of like getting super drunk, letting your standards go down and sleeping with a fat girl one night, then waking up and saying never evvver again.Pretty much what happened to America in 2008.Bush was the cruel bitch ex girlfriend who caused the driniking which led to the chubby chase that one night:har: Live and Learn.

Again I'm not shocked given Obama's muslim heritage.No I do not believe he is a practicing muslim but his backround certainly skews his view of whats right for the US.Of course he thinks there is something wrong with America anyway(other than the massive debt he continues to run up).

Second topic on this subject and the arguements against replacing the existing mosque with a new mosque are an even bigger pile of excrement than in the last topic.
Well done Bubblehead:rotfl2:

So the solution is obvious. Let them build the mosque, then send in armies of Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons in to plaster the place with copies of "The Watchtower" and the Book of Moroni. Annoy the Muslims into tolerance. Hell, maybe we can get Fred Phelps and his church to show up.

as Aramis once said, "But of course. What do you think Religious wars are ALL ABOUT?"

Seriously? There's not smilie that can make me laugh hard enough, but this is a start:

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No where in the Constitution does it allow anyone to build/improve anything anywhere. Your assertion that it does either demontrates gross ignorance or gross misrepresentation.

Which is it?

This isn't a Constitutional issue. Those on either side don't even bother pretending it is. Why are you? (Along with throwing the Bush insult out there? Perhaps is it that your politics are based upon nothing more than Bush-hating?)

Why the hairsplitting over who said what when where.

It is clear, if the original adress by Obama was listened to, that Obama supported by his general statement the idea of a mosque beeing build on the graves of those who got killed in the name of right that ideology that any mosques represents and stands for (it is not like just any other buildng, it has a symbolic function that better should not be ignored). It is also clear that here good will of some people who think they can appease said ideology, or who think it is different than what it claims to be in its teachings, collides with the desire of the many (a majoirty) and that the constitutional claim that religion should be protected no matter what collides head-on with an ideology that pushes politics and cultural influence under the label of "free relgion" (becasue the state order of the US bases on the separation of relgion and poltics, while Islam refuses such a separation).

I have repeatedly pointed out that the names and the organisations behind financing and pushing this mosque project are extremely hotile to the West, that they are what the West calls radical fundamentalists who indeed think in terms of dawa and djihad as an external effort of conquest, and that these people build the mosque itnentionall at that place becasue they do intend indeed to raise this controversy and make the public once again falling back ihn the face of being challenged. not a singole guy here so far thought he mist adress this nature of these people, instead oyu all chose to ignore it completely, that way makoijng your ignorrance of the jihad nature of this project your declared reality you want to dela with, while leaving out what puts your thinking in doubt.

Freedom that accepts freedom to the other to destroy freedom, is stupidity. It is suicidal, obviously. The same is true for tolerance and protecting religion. There mjst be limits, set out where these freedoms start to be abused for detsroying that community that declares these freedoms, tolerance and right of free religion.

that building the mosque on the graves of the victims of 9/11 is pure mockery, has been said before.

In the past two weeks, I read in random news reports always the same number: that roughly two thirds of Americans are against this mosque, and that not even one fifth is for it. Such numbers I randomly read both in German and British papers, over the past two weeks.

Itis in the higher imnterest of the community that this mosque does not get build, not in that place and not near to it. Alloowing it is like pissing on graves. And Obama - he made clear in his Cairo speech where he has put his money. His weak foreign policy reflects this bet's aiming. That one cannot expect a critical perception of islam and islamic nations from Obama, should be clear by now. Many poltiicians in the West are willing to sell all and everything away just to avoid conflict and cofnrotnation with islam. They even will to sell the freedom of our children'S children, to escape the need of admitting that if freedom should be safe in the bfuture, this fight must be picked up, and the challenge of confronting islam over destroying freedom must be accepted, not evaded. And many people like Obama - already have started to run away - that way leaving their freedom behind. to me it is high treason, and betrayal of their own people ( the values of their culture that defines these precious freedoms anyway).

And I think they never deserved that freedom anyway, then. Pity is that they are damaging the future for all others as well by their treachery and cowardice. If they would only effect themselves, I would say: okay, let the idiots leave, if they are gone we are a society with less idiots than before. But since they damage our society for all of us and seal the fate of all our children and children'S children, I instead say this: stop them, at all costs, before time has run out completely.

Thats true if you are from planet loon.

It would indeed be a mockery, but as it isn't true that is an irrelevant fabrication by hatemongers.


So what?

In the absence of any legal basis for blocking construction any other attempt to block it would be unconstitutional as it infringes on freedom of religion.
So any attempt to ban mosques from lower manhatten would fail under the constitution as it would not be deemed generally applicable unless it banned all places of worship from existing near there.

Well, I can only give one data point. I can only speak for myself.

I am an American and I was horrified, angered, fearfull, (add almost any other "bad" emotion) about the attacks on the World Trade Center, Pentagon. I was saddened at the crash in PA. Since 911, I have, in my professional capacity, supported my country in its response and security against future terrorist attacks. I knew some of the dead in the Pentagon. I have known some of the dead in the AF and IZ conflicts. I find the concept of terrorism abhorrent and will continue fighting, in my modest way, terrorism.

But I don't have any problem with a community center being built, with private funds, on private property almost three blocks from the WTC site. I do not feel insulted in any way. Building this community center will in no way diminish my love for my country nor my professional dedication to its missions. I do not consider it a sign of "victory" from the terrorists as it is not related to the terrorists.

A sign of victory for the terrorists is that we still have a big hole where the WTC is after almost 10 years. THAT'S a sign of victory.

A sign of victory for the terrorists is that we we are so fearful of Islam that we are afraid to allow a Islamic Community center to be built because we think it will encourage terrorists.

A sign of victory for the terrorists is that we are lowering ourselves to their abhorrent level and declaring hostility to an entire religion.

A sign of victory for the terrorists is that we, in this nation, have changed because of the terrorist attacks. This is what UBL wanted.

Perhaps we have already lost the war on terrorism, but we just don't realize it.

Just an old guy's opinion.

That's like asking me if I miss having cancer because I now have a cold.

Not enough these days! :wah: