U.S. military acknowledged killing 23 civilians
 

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64S0P120100529

"The U.S. military acknowledged on Saturday killing 23 civilians and wounding 12 others earlier this year after mistaking them for a convoy of Taliban insurgents.
The U.S. report into the incident, which happened in Uruzgan, said the crew of a remote-controlled drone aircraft had "provided inaccurate reporting" ahead of the incident and local command posts "failed to properly analyze the situation.""


Just one more tidbit from the endless war.

So we have two different incidents or facts ; the latter is actually more accurate. A fleet attacked by Israel's Navy resulting in the loss of 20 (?) lives and an attack made by US forces and by mistake (once more!) against civilians.

The first act was condemned by many nations (still not all of them...). The second?

We have got used to it. This is certainly no justification.
Greetings,
Catfish

No. We have accepted it.

It's called war, isn't it? :hmmm:

we live in a f*cked up world

Sh*t happens :nope:

Unfortunately. The family members do have my condolences, for whatever that's worth.

mine as well :nope:

Yep. sh*t happens.

How many civilians died when the target was a ball bearing plant in Germany, or a Mitsubishi factory in Japan?

By any possible calculus, the number of civilian casualties in wars waged by modern democracies is now amazingly small.

Same here....probably an understatement but yet another example of the horror that warfare brings.

Coming from the same guy who supports North Korea: a horrible oppressive regime with starving citizens!

http://skepticalteacher.files.wordpr...0/facepalm.jpg

And how many civilians have died because of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, this incident included?

No one would die if those medieval bastards would just stop their insurgency.

Oh come on....your not really suprised :DL

I don't think I'd act much different in their place, except try to fight more effectively and mitigate my own losses. If civilians were killed it would fill me with resolve to keep on fighting until the invaders were dead.

MIDDLE EAST

Iraq body count:
96,394 – 105,130

Afghan body count:
13,372 - 32,969

Total:
109,766 - 138,099

(sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilia...n_of_estimates

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ )


DPRK

• Rummel estimates that the Communist regime of North Korea committed 1,663,000 democides between 1948 and 1987
  • North Korean victims: 1,293,000
  • South Korean victims: 363,000
• Courtois, Stephane, Le Livre Noir du Communism: 2,000,000
  • In Party purges: 100,000
  • In concentration camps: 1.5M
• 23 June 2003 US News & WR: 400,000 died in gulags in past 3 decades.
• The Center for the Advancement of North Korean Human Rights estimates that some 400,000 prisoners have died in labor camps since 1972. [http://www.nkhumanrights.or.kr/oldnkhuman/eng/nk/nknews12_01.html]
• Famine, 1995-98
  • 13 March 1999, Agence France Presse: (citing N. Korean defector) 3,500,000 deaths as of 12/98
  • 19 Oct. 2000 Guardian: 3M
  • MSF: 3.5M [http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/publications/other/deadly_2001.shtml]
  • 19 Oct. 2003 NY Times: 2M died in preventable famine.
  • 10 May 1999, AP:
    • The North Korean govt. estimates 220,000 famine-related deaths, 1995-98
    • US Congressional delegation: 2M
    • South Korean intelligence estimates that the population of North Korea fell from 25M to 22M.

(source: http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat2.htm )

Any questions?

The Iraq Body Count is a US organisation. I'm not sure if I fully trust them to tell me the truth about a war the US is waging as the aggressor, sorry.

So in other words, no matter what figures we show you, your not going to believe them?

As a reality check Rummel cites the US for ~650,000 democides in WW2, most all due to the bombing campaign (not all deaths to bombing are counted, BTW, just those he considers "excessive." The total number killed was considerably higher, but if you are in a combat zone as a civilian...

As for the Iraq body count website, it's hardly an apologist site for the US military, it's very purpose is to paint the military in a bad light for killing too many—so that's likely a high estimate (though it seems a plausible high, unlike that idiotic lancet "study" that was published (and later discredited).

Are you saying that only US is counting the bodies of the wars? That's a bit worrying, isn't it?

Well anyway, here's some other figures. You'll see how the Iraq Body Count is the most, should I say optimistic of the bunch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War