Sick of complaining...
 

i mean not everyone by name, but it seems to me that alot of people here is in a vichous circle of "the terrible game" UBIsoft made. Because somone isnt happy of something every one else get on the ride....Very very wrong. Could anyone of yu make a better submarine sim??
To me this is a good start and SH5 and UBIsoft isnt that bad. I not saying its perfect...some of it UBIsoft have to take blame, but its not that bad as most of yu are applying....I am close to say "screw subsim" because its more than they deserve.
Use yur hed please.

Thanks for yu who understand, just have to get it off me heart:)

Kjetil

And another thing, i not have any hard feelings to the people who disagree. I am open mind. (sorry my enlish)

geez you spell worse than me;)

I totally agree with you Bulkhead,

I too am sick of all the silliness that's going on with SH5.

I know....sorry...i suck in enlish speak:)

Your English is much better than my Norwegian, so it's fine. We can understand you.:sunny:

Don't hate anyone too much. So many people had such high hopes, and when those hopes weren't realized of course they got upset and unhappy. Either the game will get fixed or it won't. I'm still hoping it will.

Thanks for chiming in. It's nice to hear from everyone, even those who disagree.

There's 12-15 posts on the front page of this forum alone that revolve around or have devolved into "Us vs Them" complaint fests. Either SH4 players vs SH5 players or Owners vs Non-Owners, or Everyone vs Ubisoft. It's gotten pretty ridiculous. :timeout: :wah:

Yes it has, but every time someone starts a new thread people are going to want to agree, and to disagree, and to state their opinions. It's a part of human nature.

I see what you mean by this Steve, and I don't really ''hate'' them, but 3 months after the release, I think it would be time for them to move on.

SH5 will get better with time (of course with work), but not with insults, if you see what I mean...

I agree, but all you can do is fight them or ignore them. You'll never shut them up.

We're kind of stuck between anarchy and tyranny.

Your words are pretty harsh. ;)

Time will arrange everything. :sunny:

As they say, when it rains it pours. Three months may not be enough for the fires to die down completely, but if I'm gauging the feel of the forum correctly then we're almost out of the Dark Ages here. :sunny:

Don't let it get to you. I was one of the loud mouth DRM-haters in the beginning (not anti-SH5, just anti-DRM). That was until my wife bought shampoo & conditioner that cost more than SH5 did. That kinda put things in the right perspective for me, so I quit shutting up about the DRM and just bought the darn thing.

Whatever's got people sparked up will die down after a while, and those of us who are getting by with SH5 (but oh so wishing it was better) will still be around.

I agree with the first part, but the second part is kind of my concern. I don't want to question the moderators at all, but....well I'm going to question the moderation of this forum here. I feel like this forum in particular has devolved into a very immature and poor place to have any kind of discussion about the game.

I quote from the rules:

I see the SH5 forum as being exactly what the stated goals of the Subsim forums are trying to avoid. I understand that moderators walk a fine line between over-moderating and anarchy and free discussion is good, no matter what side of the debate you're on. But when a group of folks can pull the written equivalent of driving by your house and throwing a bag of dog crap out the window and on to your lawn - you kind of get a bit tired of it after a while. And that's exactly what I feel that these people who have no intention of buying/playing or having anything to do with SH5 are doing. They have absolutely nothing to contribute to this forum. Nothing they have to say is relevant, insightful or worth reading. It's just verbal (typed?) diarrhea, spewed out from some sense of being wronged by Ubi, disappointment over the game, frustration or wanting to feel superior to the "suckers" who bought the game, or even enjoy the game.

I say come down harder on this kind of behavior. Some may howl censorship, but how can you censor an idea when there's no true or substantial idea there? As it stands now, I feel like this forum has indeed been allowed to have unbridled idiocy to reign. The signal to noise ratio has been seriously degraded by people with nothing to add to the discussion except snide remarks and uninformed opinions. It's not a case of censoring differing opinions - it's a case of holding people to a higher standard of expression and putting forth their opinion in "reasoned and responsible terms." Something that's sorely lacking here.

Very well worded mookie!!

I wish my english was good enough to express myself as good as you did. :-?

No, it's not. Not even close. Were you here for the 'Mod Wars'? That was a corker, but it died down and so will this eventually.

@ Mookie: What exactly do you think should be done. People are cheering your talk, but what is the real answer? Absolutly forbidding any dissent? Where would you draw the line?

Yep there is the problem. I think the mods have done a brilliant job all things considered. I also agree that it is dying down to some extent, the patch brought a new wave of it - that's all.

Give it time.

That's a problem, but...

It's not about dissent from those who tried the game and been disappointed, it's about those who did not try it and come every day posting crap since when? ...3 months now.

Fortunately, only few of them are still remaining.


And he's absolutely right when he says:

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Edit:

You did not try the game Steve, and it's not the problem, why? simply because you don't flood this forum with crap everyday.

Well, there's the rub. I don't have the magical cure-all answer. As I stated, dissent is fine. There's always going to be people on either side of an idea. But I'd like to see things held to a higher standard of discourse. That's what I feel is lacking. And maybe its because in the past, there was no need to have a moderator step in to make sure that happened....things were self policing. People knew what was expected and acted accordingly. Here it seems like a free for all - people have very strong emotions on both sides of the line and I understand that can bring out the worst in people, but it seems like literate and worthwhile discussion has suffered as a result.

So I don't know what the answer is. Is it slap people on the wrist for every little post that doesn't meet some standard of quality? No, of course not. It is delete every post that doesn't toe some imaginary Subsim party line? Again, no of course not. But I think that some of the more habitual trolls and people that contribute nothing of substance should be told to shape up or move on.