Obama rips pending Arizona immigrant law ! (politics)
 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36735281

"Fairness" . . How about the immigrants start paying some taxes? That sounds fair to me.

He is an idiot.
Illegal is ILLEGAL!!

Agreed.....

Well its now signed into law! :yep: Thank goodness.

:yeah:

It is certainly that.
Wow they are going to have to work out a policy they can use and then retrain all law enforcement officials in how to apply the law without bringing in a pile of lawsuits they would have no chance of winning.
So thats going to be expensive, expensive and very very very expensive.
Isn't it funny that those who seem to be so in favour of this populist knee jerk legislation are those who complain about paying more in taxes.

Its the Unabomber again:rotfl2:
So ivank, how wise is it to call somone an idiot when you demonstrate that you don't understand the topic or what was said?

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you're all white males, and have never been profiled in your lives.

If you're a law abiding American citizen and happen to be Hispanic, would you be annoyed if you constantly got pulled over by the cops just because of how you look?

But they can't do that as it would be illegal, and remember illegal is illegal which is why they have left themselves open to a rash of lawsuits.

I like the bit that they can't legally ask a person born in America for their status, but can legally ask an American citizen who was not born there their status and can legally ask an illegal alien.
How are they going to train the officers how to determine who they can ask for proof of status and who they can arrest for not complying with that request.
Some muppets in politics in Arizona really didn't think this populist crap through did they:rotfl2:

Well that dident take long.

Honestly cant you find some new tactics other than name calling?

This law effectively mandates that police can stop ANYBODY to determine their citizenship status at any time. If you can't PROVE your citizenship, you can be arrested. So my question is this.

What if the Pima or White Mountain Apache Tribal Police were to start stopping every white person they saw and make them prove THEIR citizenship status?

Both reservations are in Arizona. The governor already said the law would not be an excuse for racial profiling, so targeting only brown-skinned people is illegal.

If I were a member of the Tribal Police, I'd probably do it just for fun. When the people I stopped got Irate and belligerent, my answer would be,

"We've been Americans for 11,000 years. When did YOU Wetbacks show up?"

True, it didn't take long to see why this new move to control illegal immigration in Arizona was a pile of crap.

Its makes the point doesn't it.
Its pretty evident that the majority of the time when someone uses Caps Lock to emphasise their point it ends up that their point is bollox.

Since Theo was famous for using Caps Lock when he was just ranting nonsense its quite appropriate.

Though then again, given the legal complications of the new State legislation (which isn't actually legal yet) and the old state legislation and problems trying to mix and match them with Federal legislation so that the laws and the enforcements of the laws are legal not illegal even though illegal is illegal and legal is legal and legal can be illegal then maybe ivank was doing a really clever joke and laughing at the legislators down Arizona way and paying a backhanded compliment to Obama as he was an idiot calling this legislation "misguided", he should have called it "stupidity" instead.

So a law to control illegal activity is a pile of crap?

Wow.. I'm going back to bed. I woke up in an alternate universe.

Not to worry though your man is on the case !

http://preview.bloomberg.com/news/20...na-action.html

Writing a law that cannot really work legally is a waste of paper.
Trying to enforce a law that cannot really work legally is a waste of taxpayers money when they have to pay up for all the inevitable lawsuits.

You just havn't thought about the issue in hand which is why you can't understand it:rotfl2:
In fact it could be said that you are just having a knee jerk reaction to what is really a knee jerk piece of legislation.

He's your man steamwake , like it or not.
As for him being on the case??????
errr........Nice link , did you even read the link you started the topic with? Or was that just a knee jerk reaction you had while skimming headlines?

Yea pretty sure that article is related.

Anyhow the time has come to quit arguing.

Question.

Why is it not okay to build a fence to keep the illegals out of the US, not to mention the drug runners, but it is also not ok to take steps to remove the illegal immigrants from your country?

Frankly, to me as an outsider to your situation, the fact that there are 600,000 illegals in one state alone is terrifying. Since when has it become such a bad thing for people to want to keep their state or country secure, and to control who comes into the country or state and when?

We face the same issues here, in that the illegal immigrants keep arriving by boat from indonesia and malaysia. Some people don't recognise that the boat people are not true refugees. With the average cost of a boat fare around $10,000 per person, how can they be seen as a genuine, desperate refugee by anyone?

We take a large number of legitimate refugees from UN-run camps in a quota endorsed by the UN. What people don't realise is that these economic migrants arriving by boat are taking up a spot from someone who is busy languishing in a camp.

A quiet (not silent) majority want our borders secure and to decide who comes to Oz, but we're being shouted down by the minority - just for a change.

So why is it so wrong to want to control your borders?

Yes sir, everyone hates the new law but it is all good to have guns and drugs running into the country. Folks being killed over it and more people on the rolls for free goodies. It's all good because well, these illegals have rights....at least their protest signs say that...no wait, protesting legally under the law but being illegal all the same. Gosh life is good......

The border drug wars are unreal right now. And I do mean wars. Thousands have been murdered.

Mexico does less than nothing, they in fact aid people coming across illegally.

I have no problem with legal immigration from Mexico. I know many people from Mexico. My best friend's mom lives in the DF.

The perfect solution would be, IMHO:

1. Harshly penalize hiring illegals nationwide.

2. Lock the border shut by whatever means required. Shoot to kill a few times if a wall is not practical, ideally some drug runners—publish the Apache guncam videos on youtube, create a "chilling effect." (should be possible, they sometimes have running gun battles with rivals on the border after all)

3. Let FAR more people in legally. Some with a path to citizenship, along with an expansive guest worker program. Give a test in english, and the better you do, the closer tot he front of the line you get to be.

4. Require illegals here now to leave the US and come in legally to have any status—remember, this is combined with #3, so far more get in (long term illegals here speak english at some level, so they go to the front of the line).

I really have no problem with enforcing the law. Illegals are by definition criminals, and any time they interact with the government, they should have to prove identity or get booted.

Yep, watched in on the news today.

The Mexican government publishes pamphlets with instructions on how to safely sneak across the border that they give away. They do nothing at all to prevent people from starting to cross on their side.

Can't wait to see more outraged posts by people in other countries, or who don't experience the problems of a border State.

Illegals cost the US many billions of dollars. Even if legal, they don't even pay their fair share of taxes (a per capita fair share being the budget divided by the population—any family not paying maybe 12 grand a head per year is a net loss, which is fine for citizens, but not fine for people wanting to come in.

Surely the question is..... Do fences work?

The problem with the legislation in question is that it isn't going to work, is going to cost a fortune and infringes heavily on the rights of US citizens.

How much did it cost to get smuggled out of Nazi Germany?