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Torvald Von Mansee 04-08-10 08:38 AM

Behold!! The cancerous growth of Wal Mart!!!
 
http://projects.flowingdata.com/walmart/?a=b

SteamWake 04-08-10 08:45 AM

Behold the amazing growth of a sucessful buisness model. ;)

Onkel Neal 04-08-10 08:45 AM

I love Wal-Mart. Saves me money on common stuff. Mom and Pop were gouging, sad to see them go but that's competition.

tater 04-08-10 08:51 AM

ObWalMart link: http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/

I'm not a walmart fan, but that was fascinating, actually. I had no idea they only got into the NE in the mid 1990s (I've been in NM for so long).

That said, it certainly doesn't bother me. The same animation for Starbucks would be cool, actually.

SteamWake 04-08-10 08:55 AM

Starbucks is shrinking not growing.

LOL they built a brand new one here it was open for two months before they closed it. :haha:

In a bad economy pepole buy their coffee from Wal Mart ;)

AVGWarhawk 04-08-10 08:56 AM

I'm not a big Walmart fan either but where else can you go for a power drill and underwear in one stop? :hmmm:

ReallyDedPoet 04-08-10 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake (Post 1352099)
Behold the amazing growth of a sucessful buisness model. ;)

Depends on what you define as successful:

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A Substantial Number of Wal-Mart Associates earn below the federal poverty line
  • In 2008, the average full time Associate (34 hours per week) earns $10.84 hourly for an annual income of $19,165. That’s $2,000 below the Federal Poverty Line for a family of four. [http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/08poverty.shtml]


SteamWake 04-08-10 09:21 AM

Going by those numbers I live below the poverty line as well.

August 04-08-10 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by reallydedpoet (Post 1352124)
Depends on what you define as successful:

Well they're a little more successful than is implied in the article you quoted. Full time is 40 hours a week, not 34. That brings an associates annual salary up to about $2500 above the poverty line.

Also a Walmart Associates job was never intended to support a family of four.

ReallyDedPoet 04-08-10 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1352153)
Well they're a little more successful than is implied in the article you quoted. Full time is 40 hours a week, not 34. That brings an associates annual salary up to about $2500 above the poverty line.

Nothing to write home about considering the profits that Walmart makes. Anyway 40 hours is debatable. From wikipedia:

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Definitions by country

The most common full-time workweek in the U.S. is between 32–40 hours. In France it is a government-mandated 35 hours per week. In Germany it is between 35–40 hours per week, and in Denmark it is 37 hours per week. In Australia it is around 38-40 hours per week, and in the U.K., whilst there is no formal definition, it is generally considered to be 35 hours a week or more. A person working more than full-time is working overtime, and is entitled to extra per-hour wages (but not salary).

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1352153)
Also a Walmart Associates job was never intended to support a family of four.

Whatever their intentions, and it is difficult to tell at times with them, their wages are a joke.

Sailor Steve 04-08-10 10:45 AM

Don't forget that Wal-Mart associates also get discounts there, and that includes everything from groceries to power drills. I worked there for awhile. If it had been more than seasonal I'd still be there. It's not bad, as jobs go, and if no one else will hire you it could be a lot worse.

August 04-08-10 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by reallydedpoet (Post 1352250)
Anyway 40 hours is debatable.

I've been in the American work force since the early 1970's and it's been my experience that any job less than 40 hours is considered a part time job.

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Whatever their intentions, and it is difficult to tell at times with them, their wages are a joke.
That is very true, but again, jobs like that are not intended to be careers that you raise a family on.

razark 04-08-10 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1352258)
I've been in the American work force since the early 1970's and it's been my experience that any job less than 40 hours is considered a part time job.

I was told at one place that they couldn't give me more than 30 hours a week, because I'd then be "full-time". So, yes, you can be full time at less than 40 hours. My guess is that it's a matter of company policy.

ReallyDedPoet 04-08-10 10:59 AM

This is the result of a free market society and I am fine with it in that sense compared to the alternative :dead::dead:

At it's core I am a little more disappointed with big businesses swallowing up smaller ones and with that local ownership. By not having local ownership more dollars leave the community and are replaced with lower paying jobs, etc. On the surface it looks fine, more jobs created...., but the larger portion of the dollars ( profits ) do not stay within the community.

August 04-08-10 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by razark (Post 1352279)
I was told at one place that they couldn't give me more than 30 hours a week, because I'd then be "full-time". So, yes, you can be full time at less than 40 hours. My guess is that it's a matter of company policy.

Could be, or maybe state law.

Skybird 04-08-10 11:25 AM

WalMart is okay as long as it stays on it'S side of the Atlantic. :DL In Germany, their business model did not work - they ignored too many local habits and customs and demands here, and tried too long to implement american habits. Even well-meant service offers like the young man helping to pack your bags earned them rised eye-brows - Germans simply do not want that and consider that to be "aufdringlich". Like the salesman in a bookstore, you just want to look around and he immediately dives down on you and asks "What are you looking for?" Hehe, I do not want a salesman by my side as long as I do not ask for one.

Spying on their employees' private sphere and gagging them by working treaties, also reports on bad payment, did not help to make WalMart more popular here. Customers started to avoid them, business did not run, and they had to give up. They are not missed.

A real explanation all that is not, becasue we have chain stores and discounters where all this happens, too, bad working conditions, spying, etc. But they stay in business, and expand. Maybe WalMart simply was not liked for being WalMart.

Onkel Neal 04-08-10 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteamWake (Post 1352143)
Going by those numbers I live below the poverty line as well.


Me too!

SteamWake 04-08-10 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1352318)
Maybe WalMart simply was not liked for being WalMart.

This..

Zachstar 04-08-10 02:44 PM

I have to admit I am both sides on the walmart issue.

On one side their anti-union crusade leaves a bad taste in the mouth not to mention their constant use of china made products and not even offering the same type of product from an American made source.

On the other hand tho without wal mart there would likely be many many many more people in true poverty today. Atleast with the crap you buy there you can maintain a basic standard of living and they do provide boatloads of jobs that mom and pops just cant support.

mom and pops do not need to be selling general merchandise anyway. They need to sell local made stuff.

Its a sad crappy situation but its not going to change anytime soon.

tater 04-08-10 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by reallydedpoet (Post 1352124)
Depends on what you define as successful:

You seem to be unclear on the concept.

One, what employees make doesn't matter in the least.

Two, assuming that anyone employed by WalMart has to be the sole support for a family of 4 is absurd. Most PROFESSIONALS I know have both spouses working. Why would someone making 10-60 times less per hour not also have a working spouse? Two such average WM employees would make around 40k a year. You'd do quite well on that in the interior of the US, actually. A single parent... should not have churned out so many kids to need to support 3 with an unskilled job (parenthood is a CHOICE, period).


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