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Bubblehead1980 02-18-10 07:52 PM

Another Falklands war?
 
Looks like another war in the Falklands is brewing, Argentina is showing it's arse again.Some countries never learn.......

Thoughts?

Blackhawk1006 02-18-10 09:08 PM

It's just because of the British Oil Drilling that will be happening there next week.

I can hardly see another war happening there though, remember that in 1982 Argentina was run by a Militarist Government, unlike today.

August 02-18-10 09:32 PM

It doesn't take a military government to start a war though.

Hopefully Britain will take it as a sign that she needs to maintain the military strength necessary to defend her possessions if she wishes to keep them.

ReFaN 02-18-10 10:05 PM

Drop the bomb on them!

Bubblehead1980 02-18-10 10:25 PM

Blackhawk, LOL @ the Conan, Colbert, Stewart thing, ahh that was good times.

True Argentina is not ran by a military govt anymore BUT they are pushing Britain again.

Agreed that maybe the Brit govt will see it as sign they should not cut defense budget.

Diopos 02-18-10 11:19 PM

Second war? Don't know...
But at least know we know what the first one was probably all about ...







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Highbury 02-19-10 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1272889)
It doesn't take a military government to start a war though.

Hopefully Britain will take it as a sign that she needs to maintain the military strength necessary to defend her possessions if she wishes to keep them.

Very true, but at the time the Argentine invasion was a gamble by a newly placed regime to divert attention from internal problems, and give a reason for national pride. In '82 even the US Navy said it would be impossible for the UK to take the Falklands back by force and the Argentinians believed it themselves, and bet on it. (The RN had very little sea-based air power at the time) I would say Argentina now knows this in not the case. I would be very surprised if they took military action again.

On your second point, I do agree fully. If I didn't my first point would be useless.

bookworm_020 02-19-10 12:32 AM

A couple of subs with some tomohawk missles would make it a bad day if they tried to take the islands.:arrgh!:

diver 02-19-10 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Highbury (Post 1272990)
In '82 even the US Navy said it would be impossible for the UK to take the Falklands back by force and the Argentinians believed it themselves, and bet on it. (The RN had very little sea-based air power at the time) I would say Argentina now knows this in not the case. I would be very surprised if they took military action again.

I'd argue strongly that they have even less Sea-based Air Power now.

Highbury 02-19-10 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by diver (Post 1273025)
I'd argue strongly that they have even less Sea-based Air Power now.

That could be true, I don't know what the RN has now. In '82 they had 34 Harriers.

Unfortunately for the Argentinians, and not considered in the 1982 US Navy report, was the airbase the British set up on Ascension Island two weeks after the invasion, which they used for Vulcans and their tankers. :up: In the modern era such land based planes would be devastating to Argentine technology.

I just don't think they could beat the UK and I think they would be less motivated, and better informed this time around, so won't even try it. Of course as with any speculation on future events, I could be dead wrong.

Tarrasque 02-19-10 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Highbury (Post 1273030)
That could be true, I don't know what the RN has now. In '82 they had 34 Harriers.

Unfortunately and very embarassingly they abolished the Sea Harriers in 2006. All the RN has now is the ground attack version (GR7) which whilst it can carry AA missiles, lacks any form of radar.

Also we no longer have a carrier of the size of the HMS Hermes (28 harrier capacity). All we have are the ships of the Invincible class which are significantly smaller (around 9 harriers) due to budget cuts in the 60s that decided that the UK didn't need aircraft carriers. (The invincible were snuck through the budget as 'through deck cruisers'.)

Nordmann 02-19-10 04:45 AM

Argentina will pout and posture, but I seriously doubt they will engage in any activity of a military nature. After all, they were sent well and truly packing last time, and if they dare attempt round two, we will gladly oblige them once again.

Some countries never learn, and if they do, it's always the hard way. The Falkland Islanders are British citizens, they do not want Argentinians walking all over them. If they were given the island, where to you think these residents would go? They would be forcibly moved, and to my mind, this is no different from the German antics of WWII.

Oberon 02-19-10 04:53 AM

We have more forces on the Falklands than we did before the last war, and as the old saying goes "Fool me once..."
Argentina should know that and shouldn't try anything stupid. :yep:

martes86 02-19-10 04:56 AM

War is not nice, at least according to Barbara Bush. Anyways, if there was another war, I'd really hope that Argentina won (I can't really say otherwise, I feel closer to argentinian people in all ways). Some countries also need a "Being humble: How to". If the UK dropped all the colonies it still posseses (or rather say, that the Crown posseses), it would lose a lot of problems. They could start by letting go of colonies within friend's (or so told) territories, like Gibraltar.

Cheers :rock:

Nordmann 02-19-10 05:06 AM

What you mean to say, is that we should be crushed, and told what to do by other nations that have no damned right to. Sorry, but to me, it just sounds like you are sore because Spain has no "colonies" left.

Oberon 02-19-10 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by martes86 (Post 1273114)
War is not nice, at least according to Barbara Bush. Anyways, if there was another war, I'd really hope that Argentina won (I can't really say otherwise, I feel closer to argentinian people in all ways). Some countries also need a "Being humble: How to". If the UK dropped all the colonies it still posseses (or rather say, that the Crown posseses), it would lose a lot of problems. They could start by letting go of colonies within friend's (or so told) territories, like Gibraltar.

Cheers :rock:

What problems? There is no problems, just Argentina being full of hot air again. :03: There's not going to be a war, Argentina isn't that stupid.

TarJak 02-19-10 05:18 AM

Can't see the Argies being that stoopid a 2nd time. Meh who knows?

Skybird 02-19-10 05:35 AM

With 99.5% probability it's nothing.

martes86 02-19-10 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nordmann (Post 1273120)
What you mean to say, is that we should be crushed, and told what to do by other nations that have no damned right to. Sorry, but to me, it just sounds like you are sore because Spain has no "colonies" left.

No sore... actually it's better that way. I'd definitely pass on Ceuta and Melilla too, which are the last real colonies outside our territories (kind of a not-so-good place to have colonies anyway). The only reasons they're still part of Spain are because the Constitution says so, and because the people there prefer very much to be live in "Europe" than to be part of Moroco and their rightless arab monarchy (which, sounds logical anyways).

Crushed... no country should be crushed, but it seems power grants that right, and the right to tell everyone what to do. I'd prefer to be told what to do from the USA than from the UK, which BTW, is no longer an Empire, and the colonialism era is long gone. :shifty:

heartc 02-19-10 07:58 AM

Britain should leave the Falklands as soon as she wants to, and not a minute earlier. This crap of giving in to the whining and childish demands of third or second world nations got to stop. They can hardly run the lands they own and feed their people with propaganda about the evil world via their state run banana television to cover their own asses. Heck, sometimes I think it would have been good on the Europeans to stick in some places in Africa - or the Middle East, for that matter.

Anyway, didn't we have the same topic about 1 or 2 years ago? I seem to remember that.


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