why? das boot question
 

last night watched once again, das boot, and my question is, when captain goes to attack destroyer he goes into conning tower,and users the periscope in there while calling out his commands, yet when i see video of uboats attacking etc the captain uses the periscope in the command room where the navigator is. why the difference?:hmmm:

because das boot isnt anything but a movie with unreal stufff in it to make pretty screen images.


thats why many serious sub simmers get upset when people keep holding das boot up as some realism guide when it isnt.


it does a better job then most sub movies but its still just a movie and not real

but why have 2 periscope stations?

Das Boot does it right doesn't it? Type 7 had the attack scope in the tower.

2nd scope is the observation one.

the observation scope gives you a better upward view so its often used to check for planes before surfacing

so the video of uboat captains in the command room with periscope and attacking would be type IX, correct?:hmmm:

Check this out http://www.uboataces.com/uboat-type-ix.shtml
Some type IXs had three scopes with one in the control room, others had two, both in the tower.

During the stormy DD attack, the Captain uses the Attack Periscope in the Conning Tower. It's the big shaft with a seat. The boat is a Type VII-C. You can clearly see that the Observation Scope is in the Control Room, at around minute 24 when Werner is shown around the boat, he takes a picture of a crew member siting near the periscope.

The attack scope was better suited for an attack as it was more stable, smaller and had better instruments and markings. Also, most Observation scopes did not have a high magnification feature. On some of them you couldn't even see the bearing. :haha: Later during the war the Observation scope became more and more advanced, as a backup in case the primary was damaged. Plus, having 2 sets of eyes scanning for ships is more efficient. That must be why they moved it to the conning tower. :hmmm:

Anyway, thread should be moved here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show....php?p=1185023

thanks every one. very informative. you people certainly know your stuff.
will you be modding sh5?:yeah:

Yeah, that was a really useful answer. For the VIIC type sub that is portrayed in Das Boot, the captains attack station is in the conning tower. Did you read the book? I know it's got letters and stuff, but I'm sure you can make it if you try.

Real sub commanders I know commend the movie for being pretty accurate, but of course - what do they know as opposed to you - a serious sub simmer!

and you feel its perfectly fine to be rude to another member of this community, why?

Das Boot is more accurate than the propaganda videos you've seen. To answer this part: "yet when i see video of uboats attacking etc the captain uses the periscope in the command room where the navigator is", you have to remember that the Conning tower is very crowded. During an attack, the cameraman would not have any room. Plus the standard procedure was to close the tower hatch and throw an oily rag at the cameraman if he bothered the crew during life and death situations :haha:

As to Webster's post, there have been many annoying questions (not like this one) about why some MODS didn't behave like some saw in Das Boot. That was annoying indeed and sparked fury against an otherwise superb movie.

Because I read you original answer as rude and unhelpful. Although I see my reply was over the top, and I apologize.

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Glad it's all sorted now though. :up:

Actually, Lothar Günther Buchheim (the author of Das Boot) said for himself that he wasn't really pleased with the movie. It is to much action focused , the crew is showing no real life discipline and respect for one another and things like that. Things that where included just for creating action and emotions in the movie that weren't in the book. (But that's just how movies work, I guess ;)).

There was a pretty long text about this. Maybe I can dig it up again and translate it to post it somewhere around here, if its not already known. Its pretty interesting, really,

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Boot

So now do we mod sh5 to be like das boot because its not a simulation ?

The author must have watched a different film than I did. The final scene is about as anti-war as you can get, as is the abandonment of the swimming merchantmen after their tanker caught fire and sank, not to mention the Spanish buffet scene with a bunch of oblivious landlubber German officers or even Johan's breakdown. There was only one real diehard Nazi on board either, so I don't get this "glorification" of German nationalism stuff. The only thing I can think of is the dramatic music when the boat is attacking or sailing at flank speed, but of course that is how film works.

BTW it's playing right now (dubbed version) on an American cable channel called "MPLEX".

I dont think he was trying to be rude, just explaining that you were wrong. You decided to bash Das Boot when many people that served on subs at that time commend the movie for its accuracy.