What we cant insult ubi?
 

:rotfl2: well the boycott stuff was over the top but since we cant make fun of ubi either,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,thinkin.................... ....umm well guess they do a good enough job there as it is on their own:rotfl2:

Something about biting the hand that feeds you. :hmmm:

the buyers of sim sould be fed well we should get are moneys worth at least

they do a wonderful job at making games but as some of us has stated no
DRM on this game

lt commander lare

We can't insult Ubi. However, we can stomp our feet, gnash our teeth, pull our hair, and scream like a banshee as much as we want.

Can a company feel insulted?

this is a good thing ...right? I can see a 1 time -must- registration just to keep the pirates at bay but after that freedom otherwise we'll have toyota commercials interupting torpedo attacks

Wow ... damn... Nuts !!!

Hope all is well. :salute:

Or simply express our displeasure in a civilized way on the forum, and by sending Ubisoft a real letter (no email) where you tell them why they lost you as a customer.

They are insulting us with things like:

"If you own a hundred PCs, you can install your games on a hundred PCs," said Brent Wilkinson, Director, Customer Service and Production Planning at Ubisoft

God that one makes me laugh!

And what would be the point if you didn't have access to the net or had dialup only, or their server was down, or your ISP is doing maintenance, etc etc!:damn:

complain away to your hearts content but just as you wouldnt be allowed to insult or attack another member we dont allow insults or attacks on UBI or the devs

I'm not sure I'm following you, mate? UBIsoft definitely does not feed me and as far as I know they don't own Subsim either...
So far with every additional piece of information the SHV starts looking more and more like a disaster. Insulting is not the right way to go but I would risk an opinion that UBI definitely does not listen to us (maybe devs do, but they are limited by publisher).

Your statement sounds like misplaced loyalty a little bit ("If we lick the hand which feeds us we might get another SH"). As far as I am concerned, if the SHV turns out to be the disaster, I will NOT purchase the game and I couldn't care less if this is going to be the end of the Silent Hunter franchise.
There will always be SH3 (for which I am thankful to UBI) and GWX (thanks GWX team).

:yep:

due to good relations between UBI and subsim in the past neal has been granted "insider" access to interviews and info nobody else has been given and in some cases pre-release access to the game itself so the subsim community has benefitted greatly from this friendship.


with sh4 not so much and it looks like with sh5 we are treated like the red headed step child but maybe it wasnt intentional.


i have no personal knowledge about them but i believe the same applies to the other sub sim games as well so it is important to the relationship subsim has with game makers that produce these games that we are seen as a friend and not out there leading the descent on any game even if it is well deserved.

hope that clears things up.

Insults are no good. Diplomacy my friends, works... and if that doesn't grant the desired results, then, as has been said, civilized pressure measures can be taken. But don't jump to offend pepole, or we're just screwed.

Cheers :rock:

i second that question...

Insulting people at UBI is pointless and no civilized way of acting and that's even if you think UBI does not act with the same respect towards you, the customer, which I might understand very well...
Insulting or using threatening tone won't do anything but convey the idea that subsim.com is a bunch of annoyance to game developpers... I understand your concerns but please understand that subsim.com has a reputation to stand for and that it is not limited to SH5.

Use mockery instead :03: I've done it lots of time to mock UBI and neither Neil nor Webster ever deleted one of my post.
Look at that spy UBI marketing picture I revealed for example!
http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/3475/markoffice.jpg

I don't think there's ever a need to insult Ubisoft, but I do feel that the time has come to send them a clear message by voting with our wallets. It will have little or no effect on Ubisoft, but it's the only recourse we have.

Looking at the available visual and written information accross many forums over the last two weeks, I'm convinced that we are heading towards an arcade game played on the Ubisoft servers.

Thanks a lot, Webster. That cleared it a lot. I was not aware of any "insider privilegies" Neal has with UBI. Good to know that there is such a connection. Even now, in the light of SHV development, it hardly matters, doesn't it? I do not know if the way wishes/requests for SHV from this community were treated (for the most part ignored) intentionally but the result stays the same: SHV is headed towards the disaster if released in its recent stage. It will not sell and that IMO is the end of the road for SH series.

I have followed SHV development with great interest since the rumors started and right now (mere month before its intended release) I have mixed feelings of being angry/disappointed and cheated. Yes, cheated is a good word. We have been kept in darkness about major SHV "improvements" an being spoon-fed bullcrap eyecandy images and videos. I DO NOT CARE ABOUT AN EYECANDY! That's why I still play SH3. What I do care about is playability and (more importantly) re-playability. Without it any game amounts just to it: eyecandy.

If the SHV will be released as intended now (39-43, one sub, DRM, etc) I dare to say that there will be irrepairable damage done to the Silent Hunter series. Not by releasing bad game but by shattering the faith the Subsim members had for UBI.

And that, my friends, goes back to the original SteamWake's statement:"Something about biting the hand that feeds you."
You got it right, mate but from wrong perspective. The saying goes the other way around about who feeds who and who does the bitting: UBI soft gets their hand bitten by Subsim community!!!
Believe it or not, to certain extent, we "feed" UBI by purchasing their merchandise at $59.99 (or so) and if they don't deliver, we won't buy and that's the end of the franchise.


If SHV turns out to be fiasco I personally will be VERY hard to convince to buy SH6. Correct me if I'm wrong.