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KING111 12-21-09 09:41 AM

Human hair usd on u-boats
 
Is it true that the mattress and pillows
On the submarines
And even their socks were made from
Human hair taken from the
Concentration camps

Sailor Steve 12-21-09 01:59 PM

Don't think so, but of course I don't know for sure.

Could you please not use that black font? Those of us using the SmartDark screen can't read it.

NeonSamurai 12-21-09 02:09 PM

No it is not true according to any accredited research I am aware of. Almost all of the holocaust stories of that nature are false such as human skin lampshades, soap made from human fat being mass produced (there is some evidence some was made in a lab though), socks and stuff made from hair, etc.

Most of the rest of it though is real, with archeological evidence to back it up, and the numbers of those murdered in the various camps, and "special actions" is by most genuine research fairly valid. It is also true that the ash of incinerated victims was used as fertilizer for the local farms, and that personal objects, gold teeth, hair, etc was collected and reused, though I am not aware of the hair being used for anything.

flakmonkey 12-21-09 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai (Post 1222879)
No it is not true according to any accredited research I am aware of. Almost all of the holocaust stories of that nature are false such as human skin lampshades, soap made from human fat being mass produced (there is some evidence some was made in a lab though), socks and stuff made from hair, etc.

Actually the lampshade thing was a real occurance and the creation of a real nasty bit of work called Aribert Heim a notorious concentration camp doctor (well at least according to a channel4 documantary i saw a while back).

Never heard of anything like this in connection to uboats though.

NeonSamurai 12-21-09 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flakmonkey (Post 1222883)
Actually the lampshade thing was a real occurance and the creation of a real nasty bit of work called Aribert Heim a notorious concentration camp doctor (well at least according to a channel4 documantary i saw a while back).

Never heard of anything like this in connection to uboats though.

As far as I am aware that object never existed. There are no photographs of such a thing, and it was never entered into evidence.

It was rumored that Ilse Koch made such objects from tattooed human skin, and shrunken human heads and tattooed human skin were found and presented as evidence, but no lampshade (nor was the skin found pierced in such a way that it could be used in a lampshade) was ever found.

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Dachau.../IlseKoch.html


As for the person you mention, some witnesses claimed that he had made a human skin lampshade for the camp commandant, but such rumors were common in the camps along with the human soap one.


Back to the original topic, there are some letters dated in 1942 that suggests using victims hair in socks for u-boat men, but no evidence that it was ever actually carried out. There is evidence that human hair was shipped to certain companies, amounts totaling under 1 metric ton. If it was used it was probably used for industrial felt. No evidence has yet been found though (though it is impossible to prove the source of hair made objects).

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/dac...e-of-hair.html

ppk 12-21-09 04:33 PM

As far as I know most u-boat men were not nazis but straight up sailors serving their country.... So I can hardly imagine them sleeping on packs of human hair. I hope this is not true.

Pisces 12-21-09 04:58 PM

I doubt it would even work. Human hair is too soft to be used as effective filler.

KING111 12-21-09 05:49 PM

I Don't think that we will ever really know
as for the U=Boat men why would they know
what was in there beding ??
it maybe just another story like shooting people
in the water anything to make the enamy look as
bad as you can it makes it easyer to kill them

Brag 12-21-09 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KING111 (Post 1223025)
I Don't think that we will ever really know
as for the U=Boat men why would they know
what was in there beding ??
it maybe just another story like shooting people
in the water anything to make the enamy look as
bad as you can it makes it easyer to kill them

It is just another disgusting story created by disgusting people.

KING111 12-21-09 06:38 PM

It seem's in part to be true :nope:
but who's to say any u-boat men ever new about it
if you don't want to read it all here is just the one part
about u-boat crews

The Trial of German Major War Criminals


The Chief of the Central Economical and Administrative Department of the SS, on the basis of a report submitted to him,
orders that all human hair cut in concentration camps be appropriately utilised. Human hair is to be spun into industrial felt and yarn.
Out of combed and cut hair of women, hair-yarn stockings for U-boat crews are to be made, as well as hair-felt stockings for employees of the Reich railways

h//p://ftp.nizkor.org/hweb/imt/tgmwc/tgmwc-20/tgmwc-20-195-08.shtml


IanC 12-21-09 07:16 PM

disgusting :nope:

ppk 12-21-09 10:18 PM

Wow. That's creepy. :o

NeonSamurai 12-22-09 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KING111 (Post 1223049)
The Trial of German Major War Criminals

The Chief of the Central Economical and Administrative Department of the SS, on the basis of a report submitted to him,
orders that all human hair cut in concentration camps be appropriately utilised. Human hair is to be spun into industrial felt and yarn.
Out of combed and cut hair of women, hair-yarn stockings for U-boat crews are to be made, as well as hair-felt stockings for employees of the Reich railways

h//p://ftp.nizkor.org/hweb/imt/tgmwc/tgmwc-20/tgmwc-20-195-08.shtml

That is based off the letter I linked before. It was part of an order to the concentration camps to save human hair for possible industrial use (which they did do). But like I said there is very little evidence that much of it was used, and none that it was ever made into socks or anything.

BrewerAlpha 12-22-09 04:46 AM

If just that one letter is the only mention of this - I would be hardpressed to believe it ever actually happened. Maybe I'm being idealistic and don't want to believe it, who knows.

Jimbuna 12-22-09 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai (Post 1223169)
That is based off the letter I linked before. It was part of an order to the concentration camps to save human hair for possible industrial use (which they did do). But like I said there is very little evidence that much of it was used, and none that it was ever made into socks or anything.

I agree....there was a website that delved into researching the subjective theories but I'm not unhappy to say that it is no longer accessible.

tomfon 12-22-09 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KING111 (Post 1223049)

The Trial of German Major War Criminals


The Chief of the Central Economical and Administrative Department of the SS, on the basis of a report submitted to him,
orders that all human hair cut in concentration camps be appropriately utilised. Human hair is to be spun into industrial felt and yarn.
Out of combed and cut hair of women, hair-yarn stockings for U-boat crews are to be made, as well as hair-felt stockings for employees of the Reich railways

h//p://ftp.nizkor.org/hweb/imt/tgmwc/tgmwc-20/tgmwc-20-195-08.shtml


Its no news to me.Some time ago i watched a WWII documentary where it was mentioned that human hair was also used by the Uboat crews. Actually, the hair was processed -sort of- so i'm not very sure if the crews knew what kind of ''material'' they were using. Still, it is disgusting - at least.

NeonSamurai 12-22-09 10:15 PM

Like I said there is scant evidence that they ever made much use of it (but its impossible to prove it either way). Mountains of it was found after the war in the camps, and I believe more of it was burned. There is the reference to using it in socks for u-boat and railway crews, but no evidence for production of such items, though there are a few surviving shipping records of smaller amounts of hair being shipped to certain furrier firms.

This letter http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/dac...e-of-hair.html was sent to all the commandants of the major concentration and death camps, ordering that human hair from their victims be saved to be shipped for future industrial use. I searched around for any other documented evidence of use but couldn't find much of value.

Anyhow here are some links.

Human Soap
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/...c_confirmation

Archeological Investigations of Belzec (for any holocaust deniers here), one of the death camps. It is estimated to have killed over 800,000 people.
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/belzec1/bel150.html
http://www.holocaustresearchproject....rchreview.html

BootsmanBoof 12-23-09 12:10 AM

Well, as this is the SH3 forum I can steadfastly say there's no human hair products on my u-boat.:-?

Betonov 12-23-09 12:26 PM

Human hair can be used as pipe washer (?) (the thing used to prevent water from leaking trough the contact betwen two pipes, couldnt find a good translation). Barbers used to sell them to plumbers, cheaper than synthetics. If there was human hair on U-boats most proabably came from Fritz Hausemann from Snitzelstrasse Berlin while having a haircut in 1941.

Me and my father actually found hair used as pipe washer when diging in our cellar, the house was built during austria-hungary so it was used during times when synthetic was extremly rare or nonexistent. But could have been horse hair, human hair, hare hair....

Gabucino 12-23-09 02:39 PM

Come on...

It's normal to get rid of people's hair to prevent a massive lice infestation (it always was, and is even today), which could (and did) lead to large-scale epidemic of typhus, which can (and did) cause hundreds and thousands of deaths ("During Napoleon's retreat from Moscow in 1812, more French soldiers died of typhus than were killed by the Russians." Also see camp photographs with bodies piled on each other.).

Using probably lice-infected hairmass for _any_ purpose that doesn't include heavyweight industrial deinfection and production is very contraproductive. Think about a lice infestation on an U-boot, oh and remember the "medical inspection of genitals" scene from Das Boot, hehe). All the 1944-45 allied infrastructural+strategic bombing of Germany made it really certain that nobody would even think of building a business on human hair, when the average food ration for a free german citizen was already way below bearable levels.


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