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Onkel Neal 11-21-09 07:07 PM

Hacked Emails Show Climate Science Ridden with Rancor
 
Speaking of "science" and how much faith we have in it :haha:

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A partial review of the emails shows that in many cases, climate scientists revealed that their own research wasn't always conclusive. In others, they discussed ways to paper over differences among themselves in order to present a "unified" view on climate change. On at least one occasion, climate scientists were asked to "beef up" conclusions about climate change and extreme weather events because environmental officials in one country were planning a "big public splash."
Oh wait, I forgot, scientists are human too.

Platapus 11-21-09 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 1207302)



Oh wait, I forgot, scientists are human too.

And there are good scientists and bad scientists too.

Stealth Hunter 11-21-09 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1207305)
And there are good scientists and bad scientists too.

And then there's Al Gore. Which reminds me, where exactly are their links to these "thousands of documents" the hackers posted on the Internet anyway? The Wall Street Journal certainly didn't take the liberty of providing any links to them... lol.

baggygreen 11-21-09 07:28 PM

posted yesterday neal :03:

You've got the first example I've seen anywhere of the real 'mainstream' media though, other than just the bbc with a sob story about how poor Jones' emails were stolen and he's considering police charges

Torplexed 11-21-09 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter (Post 1207308)
And then there's Al Gore.

And the dangers of Gore-bull warming.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gcA0ZuKGkI...8834-500wi.jpg

AVGWarhawk 11-21-09 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by baggygreen (Post 1207309)
posted yesterday neal :03:

You've got the first example I've seen anywhere of the real 'mainstream' media though, other than just the bbc with a sob story about how poor Jones' emails were stolen and he's considering police charges

Yes, I notice this yesterday. Then it only got to Fox news. Interesting that it has moved on to other news outfits. I wonder what will become of it?

FIREWALL 11-21-09 09:18 PM

I'm not going to take sides in this but, the "hacked part" is disturbing to me. :nope:

Take a moment to think about it. :hmmm:

DeerHunter UK 11-22-09 06:23 AM

"Hacked Emails Show Climate Science Ridden with Rancor"

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2939/rancor.jpg

If the climate is full of these then we need to act now people before it's too late!

Dowly 11-22-09 06:26 AM

Awww... can I keep it?

DeerHunter UK 11-22-09 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly (Post 1207431)
Awww... can I keep it?

No, that 1 is mine...I call him Cuddles.

Schroeder 11-22-09 11:40 AM

As Firewall already said I too would be very careful with hacked emails. Who tells you that those are the original emails? The people hacking them have surely an agenda of their own to push so we should not take everything from them as the whole and only truth.

August 11-22-09 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder (Post 1207435)
As Firewall already said I too would be very careful with hacked emails. Who tells you that those are the original emails? The people hacking them have surely an agenda of their own to push so we should not take everything from them as the whole and only truth.

Good point but I don't see anyone denying their validity yet.

Blacklight 11-22-09 01:10 PM

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I'm not going to take sides in this but, the "hacked part" is disturbing to me. :nope:

Take a moment to think about it. :hmmm:
Exactly.

Onkel Neal 11-22-09 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by baggygreen (Post 1207309)
posted yesterday neal :03:

You've got the first example I've seen anywhere of the real 'mainstream' media though, other than just the bbc with a sob story about how poor Jones' emails were stolen and he's considering police charges

What? Where? :cry:

Torplexed 11-22-09 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 1207532)
What? Where? :cry:

I think he's referring to this thread about the hacked e-mails posted Friday.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=158430

AVGWarhawk 11-22-09 05:55 PM

Hacked emails? Be leery of them? Sort of like the Nixon tapes? :hmmm:

Skybird 11-22-09 06:19 PM

One should not overestimate this cyber-attack regarding "global warming all a fake". As a NASA climate specialist put it (retranslated from the German translation). "Science does not work becasue we all are so nice guys. Newton may have been an ar##e, but his gravitation laws still function until today."

There is an agenda behind the plan to attack and hack these mails. It is further islluzstrated that the maisl have been posted on several climate sceptics websites. Some, maybe much - who knows - of the material may be misunderstood vby beeing communication that is not shown in the context of the discussion between the sender and the recipient.

and certainly it is that climate research sees the same ammount of prestige-hungry egos craving for fame and recognition,l not to mention posts and incomes, and thus being vulnerable to corruption, like oyu see it in any other scientific branch as well.

The point is: even although currently climate temperatures are in a plateau phase (a plateau is a temporary phase of variables no longer shpowing significant chnages), and these mails have been hacked, there is overwhelming evidence that temperatures have been climbed dramatically since the beginning of the industrial age, that this cannot be explained by natural fluctuations linked to sun activity as the decisive variable, and that the world we live in undergoes dramatic chnages now and in the forseeable future.

One must close both eyes when leaving the house not to see that.

That this coup is revealed short before the - already failed anyway - climate summit in Copenhagen also says something.

German: http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/n...662673,00.html

Onkel Neal 11-22-09 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Torplexed (Post 1207602)
I think he's referring to this thread about the hacked e-mails posted Friday.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=158430

Yeah, I see. It would help if people would make posts with halfway relevant titles :damn:

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What in the world....

AngusJS 11-22-09 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 1207612)
Hacked emails? Be leery of them? Sort of like the Nixon tapes? :hmmm:

:06: The Nixon tapes were handed over voluntarily. These emails were stolen. Who knows what happened to them between the time they were hacked and their appearance on the web.

Stealth Hunter 11-23-09 12:35 AM

Who exactly are these hackers, anyway? A lot of suspicious, unanswered questions about this whole deal...:-?


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