Wait.. What? Millions for "muslim technology"
 

Now Im all for helping out developing nations and all but this just seems bizzare to me at this point in time with record deficits and all that.

Besides alot of the 'muslim nations' are not exactly emerging natitons.

'Buying' friendship?

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

That's ridiculous!!!
There is saying:"The charity starts at home". Why is he attempting to spend millions outside of the country while so many Americans are struggling is beyond me...?

Liberal Answer - "We have done it for years with other nations, your just a bigot because its going to nations with a different religion than yours."

Real Answer - Its a lack of understanding the culture. The Administration is on an international version of "Can't we all just get along"? They think that if they show they are friendly, then other people will be their friend. They lack the comprehension that these cultures see such things as opportunities to smile, take your money, then use it to buy the knife they will stab in your back. Your now seeing the Foreign Policy inexperience.

Doomed to fail, that is 110% certain.

Meanwhile, Quatar, Saudi-Arabia and other Arab nations are spending money like crazy to

- buy shares in Western companies, often shares big enough to get veto rights,
- form two of the four financially most powerful investement fonds in the world,
- built artificial islands in the Gulf to construct fantasy ressorts and hotels on them,
- raise Sharia-compatible banking in the West,
- boost financial funds for mosque-building throughout Europe.

What Obama now pays them for, they could very well pay for themselves. It's just that they have made the intentional decision not to do so.

Very, very naive. Good will is one thing. Distorting reality for it is a very different. But it is very much en vogue today.

What about the Arab League? What about the OPEC states? China? They are already getting enough money from the West that buys their oil.

First of all, OPIC is not giving any money to any foreign country. That is not what OPIC does.

OPIC provides loans
OPIC also provides insurance for American investors to help counter any political risk in the investments
OPIC provides investment funds to Americans to invest in overseas industries (AKA outsourcing). These funds are also in the form of loans that have to be paid back.
OPIC has been operating in the majority of the countries of the world since 1971.


There is no change from what Bush had for the Global Technology and Innovative Fund of the OPIC. Same amount of money, open to the same countries. The White House does this every year since 1971.


Every country/industry whether Muslim or not, has to go through the same application process as every other country/industry. No special treatment.


All spelled out on http://www.opic.gov/


Really, nothing to see here folks. Business as usual.

The 'E' In OPEC wasn't a typo; I was referring to the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (Algeria, Angola, Libya, Nigeria, Iraq, Iran, Qatar, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Ecuador and Venezuela) :know: So no US tax money spent here.

Giving them more Technolgy! It was bad enupgh when we gave them firearms 300 years ago! :damn:

China still gets official developement aid from Germany that even is labelled that in the bilance. :doh: Meanwhile the Chinese economy in parts is already strangling us, and sets up more and mor epressure. Thanks to help from machines made in Germany.

And Israel recently demanded from Germany (oh how allergic I am to that tone and style) to be delivered two German stealth corvettes. The fascinating Israeli idea is that although it should be a regular "trade", the Germans should pay themselves for the corvettes, and Israel should pay NOTHING (in the past they payed at least some part of the costs for boats and submarines they "bought" in Germany). German federal leaders already said Germany should do that, for it helps to support German jobs in the suffering German shipyards.

It seems that logic can suffer cancer, too. If you are unemployed, get your own contractor, do your job and pay yourself. That way you are no longer unemployed and even have an income! :yeah:

Ein dreifaches Hip-Hip-Hurra auf unsere die Welt rettenden GUTMENSCHEN! :haha: :yeah: :salute:

Those guys are pikers compared to the Chinese.

Contrary to the popular myth you're stating, they actually created the first firearms. Hand cannons originated in the Middle East (in Southeastern Arabia) by members of the Islamic faith, hundreds of years before the Europeans even discovered gunpowder or knew anything about China and India. They were also the first to actually use them, successfully, might I add, against the Mongols in 1260 at the Battle of Ain Jalut.

Islamic inventions also include to name a few:


*explosive gunpowder

*multi-barreled/rapid-firing guns

*torpedoes (from Hasan al-Rammah, circa 1275)

*gunpowder cartridges

*matchlock muskets (Ottoman Empire was using them long before the Europeans got their hands on them, as early as the 1430s; the Janissary Corps was anyway).

*rocket artillery

*the compass rose

*compass dials (Abu al-Shatir, 1320s)

*Xebec and Polacca sailing vessels (those things that made the Barbary Corsairs so successful, that were used from the 1500s to the 1800s by nations the world over)

*programmable analog computers (from 1206, by Al-Jazari)

*thermometers (Avicenna)

*magnifying glasses (al-Haytham, 1021)

*modern optics (really, this entire field was pioneered by Islamic scientists; al-Haytham again was responsible for contributing the most to it)

*celestial globes (Ali Kashmiri, 1589)

*mechanical astronomical clocks (1559, Taqi al-Din)

*pigeon airmail system (al-Aziz, 975)

*the modern scientific method and experimental science (al-Haytham again; was really the first scientist because he required that his students provide empirical evidence for their scientific claims, and defined qualitative and quantitative observations)

*graph paper and mathematical grids (900s AD; originally used for mapping out the positions of the stars and planets)

*principle of bookbinding (from the 1100s; originated in Morocco that was controlled by the Moors)

*cryptanalysis (800s AD, al-Kindi)

*surgery instruments and methods that we still use today (most of which came from Abu al-Zahrawi)

*petrol (from crude oil extracts)

*distilled and purified water (Ahmad Hassan wrote in the 8th century how to also distill salt water and purify it so that one might drink it without suffering the typical effects of dehydration)

*a vaccination against smallpox (hundreds of years before Jenner's "discovery" in Europe, Saeid-Alhazred of the Ottoman Empire gave children in what is now Syria and parts of Turkey cowpox to protect them against the disease)

*modern coffee (they imported it from India, which they then passed along to Mediterranean crusaders)

*kerosene lamps (from the 800s AD, by Muhammad al-Razi)

*sweet and potent toothpaste (a change from the bitter ones all other civilizations had produced before; by a fellow known only as "Ziryab")

*deodorants and the perfume industry (again, thank Ziryab for this)

*public hospitals and mental institutions

*quarantines for times of widespread infectious diseases

*pharmacies (and apothecaries)

*the on/off switch (for the running water geared mechanisms which they had during the 900s AD)

*the steam turbine (from the mid 16th century, which was the first that could actually be used for practical applications)

*cancer therapy and anti-cancer medications (see The Cannon of Medicine, from 1205, by Avicenna)

*cough medicine

*adhesive bandages

*alcohol used to clean injuries of infection

I thought artillery rockets were a Chinese invention.:hmmm:

Yes and no, I guess. Wiki has this:

Thanks for clearing that.:up:

your tax dollars at work:shifty:.
Is it 2012 yet?:-?

Earning a good interest rate from the loans, while at the same time helping American businesses grow? Yeah, a good use of our tax dollars actually. :yeah:

Affected companies are less and less "America's" or "Western" business - the one point you seem to miss. ;) If you have lost 40% of your company and your partners can veto any decision and form deciding majorities by themsleves, you are not in a position anymore to claim you are the ruler in your own house. Not to mention that some (some means: some) of these new partners are associated with circles funding religious fanatism, Muslim terrorism and landtaking.

Oh Skybird, your just showing your bigotry.

Don't you know that allowing these companies to invest in major sectors of our economy builds their trust and restpect? Don't you know that they will become our friends, then we can all sit by the campfire and sing together?

Really, just because they could throw a wrench into our economy, create extreme hardship for our workers, doesn't mean anything

As for it being something that past administrations of both parties have done, that still doesn't make it smart or right.

Actually they are not that much about making it harder for the workers. I currently could not name such an example. But it is about control and influence - and being able to threaten indirect sanctions (by withdrawing their investement) so to make western policies bowing to their ideologic desires. Which indeed works extremly well, as we can see almost every week.

In Germany, a jailed former hate preacher has changed his mind, at least so he/they say, and hailed the "enomous degree of freedom of religion in Germany", and that in Hamburg alone there are more muslim prayer rooms than there are churches in all his home country. He said he was led on a wrong path when defending terrorism and violence, and that Muslims should take the opportunity to peacefully come to Germany and live here.

that is exactly the biggest threat I see there, I always said that, and always said that terrorism is not what endangers our societies. It is the peaceful landtaking. The peacefully growing influence of Islam that makes it impossible to resist to it, since it is so peacefully only. It just works by demographic numbers, and eroding the social security systems even more. Even in politically most correct Germany first signs are to be seen that even left politicians start to understand that the migration patterns from Muslim countries contribute only little to the social security systems, but put several times a higher payload on them, making the whole migration from Turkey and Arab and Muslim countries a very deficitary affair for Germany. that this migration helps to secure the social systems, is a modern urban myth, becasue these migrants are successful only in a minority, the overwhelming, the very large majority fails to qualify since it is social lower class, without much education, qualification, and an ever growing resistance to integrating themselves into German culture and society. Instead, cultural separatism is growing faster than ever before - especially amongst the third generation, the young ones who tend to become more radical and/or orthodox than their first generation grandparents have ever been. Which is a sound slap in the face for cultre theorists claiming that if they stay long enough in the West, families from generation to generation become better integrated. In case of immigrantion from Muslim countries, this is bullsh!t, and we can prove and know that by the statistical numbers.

So, this former hate preacher may have sweared off violence. But that does not make him any less dangerous. He still wants Islam growing in the West, and he has understood that a non-violent influence is much harder to defend against by the West. Which makes this guy much more dangerous than somebody like Bin Laden whose evilness is so obvious that no Westerner can avoid to realise it immediately. Terror strikes we can deal with, we would adapt, we get used to it. changing demographic balances and peacefully growing influence - that is much harder to counter.

If even some left politicians (some, I say) start to realise this and confess to this opinion, then this really means something.

I now prepare to get sued for hate crimes and racism where I am about ideology and powerpolitics. :88)

But my trust that Turkey will not be allowed into the EU, has seen several opportunities to grow in the past months. :DL

In the house next to mine, a turkish family has moved in this summer, and it happened that I talked with the father several times now, and his son, and gave them a little help with moving some furniture. what ever the reason is, we both very very frank and open from the beginning on, and nobody took offence. He is very much okay. He accused the West over having made untrue promises to Turkey for so long, but he also warns of Turkish membership, feels ashamed by his people and the way the behave in germany (also telling the Germans that they are stupid to accept that), and warns the EU against accepting Turkey. He said we should have been honest with them from the beginning on and told them from the beginning that they would not be accepted in the EU. I agree with that. He says he not so much came to Germany for the sake of being in Germany, but to flee from Turkish society. He sends his son to Koran class but says that is so that he should decide himself, but he sends him also to Christian religous classes as public school, and takes care that he gets a good higher education, he really cares for his son getting good education, and manners and caretaking by his parents. and you see it in that 16 year old. He's smart, and he'S can behave, and speaks accent-free German.

I have the feeling that in his hidden way this family father may be something like an atheist coming from a Muslim country. :D He certainly is no stupid blind Muslim believer.

I would wish that many more would be like him, then we would not have these problems with Muslim migration, this Turkish father said that himself (migration from other cultures and nations tend to be zero problem, especially chinese, Japanese and Koreans tend to fit in perfectly - trouble always starts with Muslim migration).

So, one always needs to see both the general picture, and the single case. There are the few good ones, but also the failing majority. I will certainly not attack the first ones for being here. Towards the latter I have become more and more unforgiving over the years.