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Dowly 10-15-09 11:14 AM

Internet for eeeeveryone!
 
This is certainly a good news for us Finns who dont live in or around the capital. :yeah:

Quote:

Starting next July, every person in Finland will have the right to a one-megabit broadband connection, says the Ministry of Transport and Communications. Finland is the world's first country to create laws guaranteeing broadband access.
And even better:
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The government had already decided to make a 100 Mb broadband connection a legal right by the end of 2015. On Wednesday, the Ministry announced the new goal as an intermediary step.
:rock:

Source: http://yle.fi/uutiset/news/2009/10/1...t_1080940.html

August 10-15-09 11:17 AM

That is pretty cool.

Rilder 10-15-09 11:32 AM

BRB moving in with Dowly.

SteamWake 10-15-09 11:41 AM

Who is gonna pay for the infrastructure?

Task Force 10-15-09 11:42 AM

Aww... I wish they would do that here.

Shearwater 10-15-09 11:59 AM

Pretty cool ... But doesn't Finland have some very remote areas? Considering that my folks back home pay a ludicrously high price for their DSL light, I might convince them to emigrate :O:

Dowly 10-15-09 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake (Post 1189698)
Who is gonna pay for the infrastructure?

I believe it will be an joint effort between the government and the ISP's they select. :hmmm:

Dowly 10-15-09 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Shearwater (Post 1189710)
Pretty cool ... But doesn't Finland have some very remote areas? Considering that my folks back home pay a ludicrously high price for their DSL light, I might convince them to emigrate :O:

Yes, that's true. For example my ISP is located in Helsinki, some ~350km away and I wouldnt call my area a 'remote area'. I'm pretty interested to see how the speeds will be in Lapland for example after this. :hmmm:

SteamWake 10-15-09 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly (Post 1189712)
I believe it will be an joint effort between the government and the ISP's they select. :hmmm:

In other words you the consumer through taxes and fees. :03:

Dowly 10-15-09 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake (Post 1189738)
In other words you the consumer through taxes and fees. :03:

Well... yes. How else? I mean, arent taxes going to the government for the purpose of it then using them to build stuff and keeping the infrastructure up? :hmmm:

August 10-15-09 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly (Post 1189746)
Well... yes. How else? I mean, arent taxes going to the government for the purpose of it then using them to build stuff and keeping the infrastructure up? :hmmm:

What happens when you don't want an internet connection? Why should you have to pay for it?

SteamWake 10-15-09 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly (Post 1189746)
Well... yes. How else? I mean, arent taxes going to the government for the purpose of it then using them to build stuff and keeping the infrastructure up? :hmmm:

But what about those whom dont want it?

Just playin devils advocate here.

Castout 10-15-09 01:28 PM

They have the right? :hmmm:

So internet access is now part of human rights too?:O:

Dowly 10-15-09 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1189751)
What happens when you don't want an internet connection? Why should you have to pay for it?

Because it's not up to you. :O: You pay taxes for the dimwits and they decide what to do with the money. I mean, my taxes wont go up because of this, so I dont really care. That is, aslong as they spend the money wisely.

August 10-15-09 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly (Post 1189761)
Because it's not up to you. :O: You pay taxes for the dimwits and they decide what to do with the money. I mean, my taxes wont go up because of this, so I dont really care. That is, aslong as they spend the money wisely.

But if your taxes won't go up when they implement this doesn't that mean they were overtaxing you before?

Sea Demon 10-15-09 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly (Post 1189761)
Because it's not up to you. :O: You pay taxes for the dimwits and they decide what to do with the money. I mean, my taxes wont go up because of this, so I dont really care. That is, aslong as they spend the money wisely.

Do you honestly think your government can make better choices for you, then you can make for yourself? Do you think government truly knows what your needs are, in order to spend your money wisely on your behalf?

VipertheSniper 10-15-09 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon (Post 1189785)
Do you honestly think your government can make better choices for you, then you can make for yourself? Do you think government truly knows what your needs are, in order to spend your money wisely on your behalf?

I know you mean that in general, but for that specific case, say I want a 1 Mbps connection and live in an area where demand is not that high and thus telco companies aren't providing it, should I move, or fork out the cash together with probably a few others that want an admittedly not that fast connection, for the telco company so they provide the infrastructure? I rather have it that the companies are required to provide at least 1Mbps connections everywhere from the tax payers money and probably some of their own, and I don't have to fork out the cash up front with a few others in my area or move to a place with better infrastructure.

Shearwater 10-15-09 02:37 PM

Well, if you live all your life in a city where everything is within walking distance, why should you have to pay taxes for road upkeep? Or what if you can't afford to have a car?
I think that companies that have a distribution network (like postal or telecommunication services) have a certain point where they can't be efficient financially and still at the same time have a sufficient cover for their users. If the latter is desired by a majority of the people, why not pay taxes for it?

stabiz 10-15-09 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon (Post 1189785)
Do you honestly think your government can make better choices for you, then you can make for yourself? Do you think government truly knows what your needs are, in order to spend your money wisely on your behalf?

Do you honestly think you can build the infrastructure yourself if you want broadband when its not available to you?

SteamWake 10-15-09 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by stabiz (Post 1189890)
Do you honestly think you can build the infrastructure yourself if you want broadband when its not available to you?

Here in the US its done through private enterprise. If you want it you pay for it.

Goverment does get its cut though through taxation and fees.


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