is the Obama Care money issue this simple?
 

QUESTION: Where does the money used to pay for obama's SocialistCare come from?

ANSWER: The Federal Government

QUESTION: Where does the Federal Government get its money?

ANSWER: From you, the tax payer

QUESTION: So explain to me again how my tax money is not paying for SocialistCare?

ANSWER: Ummmm....

That's always been my biggest headache with people who want social reforms: convincing them that government cannot create revenues. It produces nothing worth buying, so it can only exist by taxes. In the case of police and fire departments, road construction, even the military, this is a necessary thing. I was going to say good, but it is my confirmed belief that the only way to guarantee a safe government is to mandate that anyone in a position to levy taxes be required to understand that they are, in the best cases, still only a necessary evil.

Of course that's also impossible.

Another fun one: when I say that government makes no money, I always get the answer "That's silly. The government is the only one who can make money." Explaining that printing paper that says 'Money' on it and actually earning revenue are two entirely different things is an excersise in frustration.

GASP!!!! NFW!!! :har: Of course there is. :har:

Very well put Steve. :up:

Why is it taxpayers are told not to spend more than we bring in ? :DL

But Government doe's it with a passion. :haha:

Because they can:doh:

Weeeell, most countries that adopt single-payer health care spend less of their GDP on healthcare than the United States, and achieve better or comparable results.

quick wiki link- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_..._in_comparison

So, if the government pays for health care financed through taxes, and the country spends less money on healthcare overall, then you've got more money to spend on other things. In a way, the government is helping out.

Being paid for in tax revenues, naturally this runs up against the taxes-are-bad idea.

EDIT - Socialism! It'll eat your children!

Yes of course thats why people from all over the world come to the US for care.

http://yedda.com/questions/Canadian_...1869107797311/

People from all over the world also go to Cuba for medical care. Does that mean their system is better than ours?

Only one that Im aware of is Michal Moore :rotfl:

No really who the hell goes to Cuba for healthcare?

Well, the other side of the coin is I don't see many Americans leaving the USA to get health care abroad.

Some do so they can attempt some radical type cures. Farrah Fawcett went to Germany for a radical type procedure for her cancer if I'm not mistaken.

Cuba, healthcare? Cuba is not really known for healthcare. Cigars and old cars maybe.

Correct. That's why I said "not many". When they do, it always seems to be something radical in mind they seek. Most don't seek health care abroad because what they get here is better for the most part (routine health care and procedures).

For what good it did her. :O:

I remember some years back, Americans going to the Soviet Union for inexpensive Radial Eye surgury.


Their all on disability now. Legally Blind.:o :haha:

Very true. The FDA and Surgeon General preclude some procedures or medications thus forcing some to try different methods in other countries.

Cuba has a well-established internationally popular healthcare system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthc...nal_healthcare

Canada - 33 million people.
USA - 300 million people.

Inside those two populations, and those two systems, you will find anecdotal evidence for just about anything.
I would argue that, on balance, the Canadian system comes out on top because it's services are open to all citizens, not just those with insurance. Those who pay for healthcare there are not trying to avoid paying at all costs.


Also, the link you posted is wrong-headed.

The most likely plan to emerge from committee stage will be nothing like the Canadian system. Obama is not working for a system mirroring that of Canada.

EDIT - I love the Danger Danger Capitalisation.

Well...in my world Cuba is not know for healthcare. Cigars and old cars come from Cuba. I'm not sure how Cuba looks in the Ruins of Europe. When I think healthcare..Cuba does not make the list. I think you will find that with most folks when asked.