Apologists for evil
 

"...to redefine our values as prejudice..."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4FpT...e=channel_page

In past months Pat let it run more slowly and published with greater gaps between releases, and over the past couple of months his comments also became a bit borrowed and repetitive, as if he had lost some interest. But his latest release from yesterday shows him returning to his best of forms, and with quite some very obvious and sparkling enthusiasm, resulting in one of the very highlights of his collection of almost 60 video speeches now.

I would feel ashamed if I don't remind you of him still being around :D, and this one is one of his best ever - biting and making well-earned ridicule of the receivers of his comments - and after all just saying what is true, and reasonable indeed.

Well done, Pat. Keep them running from the truth in panic and make us laugh about their red-faced lying and cowardish preemptive submission. Mockery and a kick in their back is what they truly deserve - before they have completely ruined us all.

Wow, such energy :o

"There is no such thing as Islamophobia" - I guess there is no such thing as antisemitism or persecution of Christians either :rolleyes: Thank you Pat. You made me take a stand. It is not your own.

Every criticism of Islam and refusing to tolerate it'S totalitarianism, inhumanity and aggressive drive, today get's brandmarked as "islamophobia" and "abuse of free speech".

It is as if criticising Neonazis would be labelled as an "intolerant attitude towards others" or a "democratic deficit" or "lacking respect for different views". Note: one offence against Islam's self-understanding weighs a thousand times heavier than a hundred offences against western culture and values. Or Naziphobia. Well, I am a proud Naziphobic. and if such is the meaning of being a phobic - essentially having a meaning that is so distorted that terms mean nothing anymore - I am a confessing, proud Islamophobic as well.

Short while ago, an egyptian woman was murdered by a real racist indeed in a German courtroom, he offended her over her skin colour on the street, and she sued him. Result: mass hysteria in many Islamic countries, for days and weeks. Attacks on the German government not bending over to present it's bare bottom for the spanking, and refusing to apologize. Apologise for what? But also short time ago a german man, who just had fled from a german prison, was stabbed to death on a street in istanbul. Reaction in the Muslim world: silence. - Some years ago, several Christian clerics and a nun, both Catholics and orthodox, were stabbed on open street in Turkey, Egypt and Syria, if I remember correctly. Reaction in the Muslim world: silence, here and there some silent lip-confessions, soon to be unheared again. - Or the Danish cartoon hysteria. - The islam-infiltrated UN comission on human rights, trying to enforce that criticism of religion in general and Islam in special becomes a crime and should be persecuted by law. - Ethnic and cultural minorities in Islamic nations constantly being reduced and driven back, in accordance with quranic demands getting constantly discriminated as well . But Islam in the West being supported, expanding, getting fostered like crazy, driving locals away in regions and towns throughout europe, because sometimes residents are so pissed by being expected to live in an enforced Islamised environment.

Sure, it's all islamophobia.

For some, the shortest way to silence unwanted opposing views is to claim they are xyz-phobia or simply racism (and at the same time ignoring the object of that opposing criticism). But that is no argument. That is rethorics exclusively, illustrating that there is a lack of argument.

Yeah, that's what got my attention. :)

I can't believe you forgot 'racist'.

Islam is not a race.

Nevertheless you often get called a racist indeed when criticising Islam.

Yes i know, but its a fun part, sometimes. :03:

Criticism of Islam; fine!
Calling Islam "inhumane", "totalitarian" and "aggressive"; that is at the
very least an unfair generalization of the many and varied ways that Islam
is practiced.

Quatsch.

It would certainly be unfair if so called moderate muslims would stand against those who would subvert and criminalize their religion. But they don't. Why?

They generally do.

Quick answer..........

Because Muslims feel persecuted. Or so I've heard. If that isn't the case, never mind.

Defend Islam. Relativise it. Show how clever and sensible and tolerant you are. Be a happy Lemming. Get kicked over the top once you reached there.

The socialists and communists in iran were thinking like you, and thus concluded they could tame islam and ally with Khomenei. Big mistake. The first thing Khomenei did when having secured his power was to hang them up on telephone poles in the streets. You cannot be a clever little Dick and a Muhammedan at the same time. ;) The Quran is against that, and the Quran is not negotiable.

That's what Islam is, Letum. Islam in Quranic understanding, and there is no other Islam than that basing on the Quran. You may stray off from it. But then you are no longer a muhammedan, but a heretic, free to get slaughtered (slaughtering you then, by Quranic demand, is not a freedom but a mandatory duty for true Muhammedans).

Many Muhammedans - probably especially some of those you often have on your mind when defending Islam - are not half as Islamic as they think. From a Quranic point of view, they are condemnded people. That'S why socalled "radical Islamists" (whatever that fictional and artifical word creation should mean, it is new in history) are right from their perspective to blow up such false Muslims, like they blow up infidels as well.

That is what is is according to you, but not according to the majority of it's
civilized practitioners.
I think they have more right to define it than you do.

ed: Tell me you didn't just spend (how long?!) transcribing that. :o
Wow, such energy indeed.

No, that is just what you claim, and you are wrong, because you refuse to open your eyes to face a reality not matching your kind and "civilised" model of the world. You are about your fantasy of what "Islam" means. to you it is just a word that you fill with your imagined content, but to me - and true devout Muslims as well - it is a historic fact that bases on solid tradition and teaching, fixed black on white with ink and paper: the Quran. Whenever you talk about Islam, you reveal that you talk about your own images only of what islam should be, or could be - accoprding to you, and according to those wishful thoughts of people that Pat just called the "appeasement monkeys" - you are not about Islam according to Muhammad and the Quran. But that is the only islam worth to be named "Islam". Anything else is something different only.

That sounds fundamentalistic? Yes, it is. All Islam is deepoly fundamentalistic in general, funda,mentlaism is not just one sect inside a canon of islamic traditions, like it is the case with the huge diversity of Christian branches. I get criticised for saying that Muslims not being fundamentalists are not truly Muslims, I get criticed that I make it easy for me by just deleting all non-fundamental "Muslims" from my list of what islam is. but it is not the easy path at all - it simply is the truth. Moderate muslims are heretics, if they really comnpare to the true Muslim standards set by the Quran. and I think that this is a widespread subconscious knowledge that is one of the reasons for the modern, deep-rooting inferiority complex in Muslim societies, that causes - in form of over-compensating mechanisms - much of the hostile energy, the expansive aggressive dynamic and collective hysteria over so-called western "offences" in their societies.

Islam is neither a peaceful religion, nor a teaching of tolerance and coexistence. It is a tyrannic call for ultimate militant conquest, and subjugation of all that is not islamic already. Says not me, but Muhammad. Says the Quran. Says Islamic history from the first day on.

Speak to any given Muslim in England or Germany and chances are he will
interpret the Quran and Muhammad and talk of a very different Islam to
yours and Pat's.

Again, I think they have more right to interpret the Quran and Muhammad
and define Islam than you do. That's a good thing to! If all Muslims did
treat Islam they way you do, we would be in a pickle. Clearly they do not.

You fool probably also think that the pope is the best and most objective authority to give you a fair assessement of catholicism and it'S shining history.

And you are wrong - I have all right in the world and certainly as much right as any other person that is or is not Muslim to interpret the Quran. that's one of the great things in our societies here in the West. And what Islam is and what it is not, does not get defined by you, or other people, or me - but the term is reserved for a preset, given set of teachings and traditions, whether you like that or not. the Quran is not really open for interpretation. a lot of weaseling around single quotes in it is just deception and opportunism. Especially opportunism. It is the most hypocritical and lying piece of written work I ever have read. and I think that character of it is not by chance, but intentional - to always find the best excuse for piushing muhammad's demands. He might have been a murderous greedy bastard, but sure as hell he was clever.

And btw, I have talked to Muslims in far more countries than just England and Germany (but in germany as well, for sure). Where do you think I have gotten my ideas about Islam? From smoking some kraut? I tell you: from academic books as the first source of information, and then from travelling in Muslim countries later, seeing people there.

An finally this, and you may finally want to pay attention to it: a,lot of Muslims speak pout about islam exactly the way I do and Pat does - they spit their hostile truth into your very face - and you fool ignore it, and claim it never happeend, and they do not exist even if you read their hate-filled pamphletes in the newspaper, or on posters, or on TV! wjhat the heck is wrong with you...? you get a slap in the face - and your only reaction is: "nothing happened." Or better: "It did not happen."

So it's new, and that means it's inappropriate? Not a sign that some people, not all of course, are able to differentiate?

I second Letum's response. I second it most decidedly.

Dear old McCarthy would be proud of Pat. And I am deeply concerned.
Why?
Because I think that he does a very nasty thing. He redefines one of the most crucial achievements of Western civilization and society as one of its greatest vices. It is the ability of self criticism, which Mr Condell redefines as self hatred.
His is the process of mentally outlawing a whole religion.
I do not know how the society looks like Mr Condell is conceiving of. But I do know that I would not want to live in it.