Here it comes ! House eyes new taxes as senators pare health bill
 

They need to stop all of this now!:shifty: Hopefully this will be the downfall of obama, as it was HRC when she tried to change our health system.

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I guess Im wrong. People dont mind addittional tax burdon :yawn:

What stroke of genius by the political hypocrisy....Let's see here, yes, let's tax the employers who are already providing a health care benefit in order to make it more difficult and less cost effective for them to do so. This will cause them to rely on the good ole reliable government by once again punishing the private sector. Voting the bums out will do no good because only bums will replace them. Reformation in government is well overdue.

The plan is bad all the way around. The plan infringes on the free market called the insurance industry. Employers have no incentive to keep insurance on the employees. It is just stupid.

Another thing being looked into and not mentioned here because its not health care related is your tax deferrred IRA cotributions.

There looking into restructuring that so that the contributions are no longer tax deferred. So on top of ... at least in my case my IRA having shrunk by nearly 50% in the last year it will now also be taxed :oops:

Good. It's an expensive and inefficient system.

And free market of the insurance industry? HAH! The insurance industry is one of the most governmentally regulated industries in the country. You already have government insurance whether you realize it or not.

Funny how the people who argue against a real health insurance plan are the ones who never have to worry about medical bills bankrupting them.

:rotfl::rotfl:

Irony is so sweet.

It is, isnt it?

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There needs to be Tort Reform. The same as what Bush was attempting to accomplish. Obama brought up the same. Do you have any idea what the average malpractice insurance is? It is over $250,000 a year for one doctor.

Take a look at medicad and medicare that are run by the government....see it failing....you bet! Enough said on a government health care plan.

As far as regulated, sure, it is regulated but it is still independent business'. No offense mookie, I pay for good health insurance. I'm taxed on my health insurance plan. There are pleny of plans out there anyone can purchase.

That is just a cop out.

Look at every other civilized nation in the world's universal healthcare plan where life expectancies and patient satisfaction are higher while spending less on healthcare than the U.S.

Enough said.

:o

I guess some folks are happy to wait 3 years for necessary surgery. :rotfl:

I guess some folks are happy to be denied care due to their current health.

Meh... go watch another Michale Moore movie. :doh:

Explain to me why my parents who are in their mid-seventies, have their own medical plan plus medicare and still paid over $20,000.00 in medication and doctor visits....that was just last year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Medicare is a failure. I see it first hand mookie. This government healthcare will be a failure.

So tell me, why are you so hot and bothered to get government health care? Why should others pay for every Tom, Dick and Harry to get sown up after another drunk'en brawl?

Neither of which would ever happen under our glorious HMO system, right?

I will so long as you keep swallowing the insurance company propaganda hook line and sinker. :yeah:

Hillary attempted this when Bill was in office. It went down in a ball of flames. Currently Obama is getting serious opposition from his own crew on the Hill. He has been handed the golden key to the crapper from ABC and making an hour long info-merical...I won't be watching that. Obama's approval rating is starting to flounder and drop even more. This health care will not pass...UNLESS, Pelosi and co can get fat pork in the bill. Welcome to old school DC and no change at all. :down:

Id venture to say no. Most assuredly no.

In fact even those whom cannot pay recieve care thats one of the reasons health care costs are so high.

:nope: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22357873/

That was one story I remember. There's thousands more.

I might surprise some people with my opinion on this, but here goes:

I am in favor on nationalized health care.

There, I said it. Now for the reasons why.

Anyone who thinks that we don't already have nationalized healthcare is fooling themselves. In the US we have two issues which demonstrate this. First is the Patient Bill of Rights which allows ANYONE access to healthcare without payment. As such, a great many people show up at emergency rooms nationwide for free attention to their sore throats knowing that they'll just ignore the subsequent bills. Secondly, nearly every state in the country has completely subsidized healthcare programs for the "poor", in addition to Medicaid. This often means that the least productive members of society actually find themselves with more disposable income that some in the middle class. Think about it: someone relatively healthy pulling in $18,000/year on welfare can be quite a bit better off than someone making $30k but has to provide their own $1200/month coverage because of a pre-existing condition (I'm not making this up, actually - my father-in-law is faced with a very similar situation after losing his job recently. Fortunately we can help him out, but not everyone is so lucky).

Indeed, I've heard the horror stories about the waiting times for important surgeries in nations with socialized healthcare. I believe that allowing independent insurance coverage as an option would SOMEWHAT help to alleviate that problem.

The problem I see with attempting to make the healthcare industry free-market is that it really can't be such a thing. In my opinion, people HAVE to be entitled to some measure of healthcare.

Our healthcare system is absolutely broken. We currently have a system that absolutely overburdens the middle class. Think about it: if you're poor you've got a free ticket to one of the most expensive cost-of-living items there is. If you're rich than this really won't affect you.

But, if you happen to fall into the category of the middle class family paying your mortgage, credit card bills, etc. on time, a major issue can send even the insured individual to the poorhouse with a high deductable. Imagine if you just lost your job, however - now the "class warfare" system of healthcare has just sent you to the lower class. Either that, or you'll be doing without urgent medications and treatments.

I personally hate to ever relinquish control of anything to the government, but honestly I don't trust insurance companies a whole lot more.

I do have a proposal for how to fix healthcare in the US, but I'm kind of getting tired at the moment. Maybe tomorrow... :know:

Thousands? :-?

The fact that this landed in a lawsuit indicates it is an abboration.

It's in the insurance company's best interest to deny care as they are a for profit business. Their interests and yours as the insured's are not aligned.