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Shrike37 06-21-09 01:22 PM

Oct. 1939, was I in the wrong to deck gun a little English 12ton Schooner?
 
It was Oct. 1939 and I saw a sail on the horizon. As I got closer, it turned out to be a little 12 ton, three sailed, English Schooner. It looked more like a pleasure boat than a cargo ship. As I got close she began to zigzag in a futile attempt at evasion. Anyway I gave my deck gun crew some practice and we sank it after 2 hits.

Was this bad form or a valid target?

Task Force 06-21-09 01:23 PM

Nope, i gun them all the time...:yep:

Torplexed 06-21-09 01:53 PM

In real life you likely would have put a few shots across the bow, let the crew take to life rafts or a dinghy and maybe even given them some supplies before sinking their schooner or yacht. Maybe you would have gone aboard and scuttled it yourself.

But it's a game and there is no real crew, so you just sink it.

The_Yugster 06-21-09 02:47 PM

In real life you would just need to ram it! Or turn the flack gun on it.:arrgh!:

GoldenRivet 06-21-09 05:03 PM

i sink schooners or pleasure boats only if it is obvious that they have spotted me.

otherwise, why sink a young tommy out on a sunday afternoon pleasure cruise?

Captain Birdseye 06-21-09 05:27 PM

Is small boats like this radioing your position in modeled in the game?

Kapt Z 06-21-09 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Birdseye (Post 1121486)
Is small boats like this radioing your position in modeled in the game?

I don't know for certain. That would be the major reason I might avoid rather than engage such a small vessel.

TigerShark808 06-21-09 06:51 PM

Rambing it! Only option!

Highbury 06-21-09 07:21 PM

Ramming would not have been done unless in desparation.. even though the schooner is wood, a U Boat is not solid steel and would probably take damage. No Captain would risk that for no reason. You can bet it would damage you in game too.

I try to "role play" my decisions how a real Captain would make them. Good example is this; in the Pacific, I spot what comes up on my map as a small convoy. Look closely and it is a Sampan, a Big Sampan and a fishing boat. Looking through binocs I see what look to be female human models on the Sampans.. not gonna shoot them.. but wait.. fishing boat has 2 MG's and guys in Naval uniforms.. target! Needless to say the Sampans sailed on without their "escort". I try to use the same logic process to what I kill when I am in U Boats as well.

cj95 06-21-09 07:32 PM

Where do I download the 'sunbathing female models' MOD?:D

Platapus 06-21-09 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Highbury (Post 1121515)
Looking through binocs I see what look to be female human models on the Sampans..

So you fell for the ole "human female on the Sampan" trick eh?

That's just what they wanted you to do. :O:

vonCrandall 06-21-09 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Birdseye (Post 1121486)
Is small boats like this radioing your position in modeled in the game?

I have always wondered this as well.

Normally, if I see them and feel I am not detected, I submerge.

PavelKirilovich 06-21-09 10:32 PM

Nope. Flying the Red Ensign? Legit target in 10/39. You don't want to waste an eto/ato on them, but the one or two 88mm rounds it takes are a valid expenditure.

They're either picquet boats or pleasure cruisers, and the only people who can afford to pleasure cruise in 1940s England, typically speaking, are the upper classes... and I just read Das Kapital for ****s und giggles. :O:

Shadowblade 06-22-09 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Birdseye (Post 1121486)
Is small boats like this radioing your position in modeled in the game?

I suspect all enemy ships, so I always gun them down :arrgh!:

nikbear 06-22-09 05:02 AM

Sink the Damn thing!I hate those Blinking English toffy nosed snobs in they're cutsie little sailing boats:O: Don't they know there's a war on!:arrgh!:Blast them to kingdom come,and they can take they're stiff upper lip and cucumber sandwiches with them as well:har::rotfl:

Leandros 06-22-09 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Shrike37 (Post 1121343)
It was Oct. 1939 and I saw a sail on the horizon. As I got closer, it turned out to be a little 12 ton, three sailed, English Schooner. It looked more like a pleasure boat than a cargo ship. As I got close she began to zigzag in a futile attempt at evasion. Anyway I gave my deck gun crew some practice and we sank it after 2 hits.

Was this bad form or a valid target?

Hmmm - rather unsportish. I'd put a junior officer on it and sailed it home to Germany (you know about that function in the game, of course). Nice to have one's private yacht after the war......:03:....

Jimbuna 06-22-09 09:00 AM

I'd only expend AA munitions on such a miniscule target....keeping the heavier stuff for the bigger renown/tonnage http://www.psionguild.org/forums/ima...ies/pirate.gif

Sailor Steve 06-22-09 01:06 PM

I'm sure they would say it's bad form. But they shouldn't be out there in the first place, should they.

Synthfg 06-22-09 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by nikbear (Post 1121645)
Sink the Damn thing!I hate those Blinking English toffy nosed snobs in they're cutsie little sailing boats:O: Don't they know there's a war on!:arrgh!:Blast them to kingdom come,and they can take they're stiff upper lip and cucumber sandwiches with them as well:har::rotfl:

This
Just watch put for the Butler Pulling a blunderbuss on you if you get too close

VirtualVikingX 06-24-09 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Shrike37 (Post 1121343)
It was Oct. 1939 and I saw a sail on the horizon. As I got closer, it turned out to be a little 12 ton, three sailed, English Schooner. It looked more like a pleasure boat than a cargo ship. As I got close she began to zigzag in a futile attempt at evasion. Anyway I gave my deck gun crew some practice and we sank it after 2 hits.

Was this bad form or a valid target?

Hi guys - be lurking for some time. Great forums!

Okey, I dont have detailed info as to how the KM adhered to the Laws of War in WW2. But sinking a non-military vessel that doesnt support the military effort in any way is as the main rule a war crime. A good example would be a leisure boat of any kind. A merchant or tanker during the war is of course by this rule a legit target.

Just my 2c, as you guys over there says.

If anyone else has any questions about the laws of war, I would be happy to answer them. (FYI; English is not my mother tongue)


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