Department of Homeland Security getting crazy?
 

I guess all Americans are radical in their mind. WTF is happening to this country?

-S

DHS report can be found here - http://video1.washingtontimes.com/vi...mismreport.pdf

More states are bucking the Feds - http://www.khou.com/news/local/polit....d7068e36.html

Texas this time.

-S

Yall make me laugh

DHS GREAT under bush but under a dem? PANIC! OH NOES!! They are looking at the real threat instead of saying "9/11" every 5 seconds.

Domestic terrorism from extreme left and right wings needs to be taken seriously

Of course every fool on the right will see this as some kind of conspiricy against repubs. Until the next pub gets in of course. The DHS is the best thing ever again.

Wow right wing extremists , would that be like that nazi nut who shot the police the other day because him and his friends on stormfront think the election of Obama is the sign that "ZOG" is getting stronger and is moving against them .
Would that fit people like that fruitcake who blew up the federal building in oklahoma ?
Yeah you can understand why the government is worried about the possible rise of the fruitcakes , after all there is a real proliferation of some really crap conspiracy theories going on since the election .
I seem to recall one recently here about the evil government setting up concentration camps to lock up the population :hmmm:...was that you who posted that crazy theory Subman ?

So what exactly is this 'real threat' ?

Yeah right. If the Bush era DHS had published a similar report listing vague liberal and leftist threats you would have been so outraged that folks could have warmed themselves with the flame posts you'd have made about it.

So where is your outrage now? The administration, in spite of beating the Bush adminstration over the head about it during the election, is now not only defending warrantless wiretapping but seeking to expand the program.

On top of that DHS is producing letters that any objective person would see as a threat, not against some radical bunch of stupid skinheads but against anyone who criticizes the federal government. Where is your outrage now? Was it all just election year politicking?

Here is a question, how do we know that the report even exists or that this story is true? It could be a fake or a hoax to polarize people more on the red/blue subject. I have to say I trust fox news for reliable news about as much as I would trust getting reliable news about the world from a 5 year old on the street (i say the same about CNN and most other news groups too that have a stake).

As for monitoring extremist groups, well I say go for it given what has happened in the past with such groups. Going to an extreme is never a good thing.

Congressman at a rally. McCaul (R-Texas)

If I recall right McVeigh was wearing a t-shirt with that same slogan when he carried out his attack.

Personally I'd trust the 5 year old on the street. At least from a kid you get a direct answer to a question and it is in simple English.

He had a picture of Abe Lincoln on his shirt as well. Does that mean old Abe was a terrorist?

It would also undoubtedly be more imaginative too. :DL But still equally wrong and having nothing to do with actual events.

She has some explaining to do today.



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I guess civil liberties only become important when it's not your guy in power.

No, and neither was Thomas Jefferson.

But I think it's irresponsible at best to urge people to action by using a terrorist's motto that calls for the "blood of tyrants," especially when the people you're talking about the same issue that motivated that terrorist, and the people you're urging on are ideologically similar to that terrorist. It would be like getting a group of highly conservative Muslims who don't like the US together and urging them to action by reading a bunch of sword verses from the Koran in the middle of an anti-American rant.

The right wing in this country prides itself on taking action instead of just talking. That's why the extreme right is more dangerous than the extreme left.

What does the extreme left do in this country? They whine and b*tch, hand out stickers that say "Stop B*tching and Start a Revolution," then go back to b*tching. If they tried to build a bomb, they'd be more likely to blow themselves up than their target. So they just make a lot of noise. They're loud, they're annoying, but they're ultimately harmless because they don't actually do anything.

The extreme right is different. They're highly individualistic, so they believe their individual actions can make a difference. That makes them more likely to take action. They also have the knowhow. There's a reason that the DHS relelase mentioned returning veterans. Veterans aren't predisposed to the extreme right, but those who do join their ranks know how to plan operations and use guns and explosives. So while the extreme left is loud but impotent, the extreme right can actually do something. That's what makes them more dangerous.

"Thats right - the out of power party is dangerous. Don't look at us liberals - we just talk about abolishing your gun rights, ignoring the constitution on issues such as states rights, freedom of speech, forcing stuff like gay marriage down the citizen's throats whether they like it or not, all while we take more and more of your taxes to pay for things like health care for the poor, or the "undocumented worker" and his or her family. Oh - and when we are doing things like reintroducing the "fairness doctrine" and bringing in 12 million new citizens who are going to vote for us because we give them what they want, thus securing our own power, don't worry. Don't fret at all when we write the laws - like the report discusses - defining anyone who disagrees with the federal governments range and scope of powers - in other words - OUR scope and powers over your insignificant lives - must be a threat to society. Just because we are in power and are moving to actually have these laws in place - along with the power to enforce them as we see fit - you don't lose one wink of sleep, ok? After all - we are liberals - we won't really hurt you - we just want whats best for you - and its our job to give it to you even if you don't want it."

Is that what you mean Max?

Just look the other way while the liberals do what they have wanted for decades?

Know why its all about those that lean right? And note that if you are any type of "one button" issue - like abortion or immigraton or states rights or simply a constitutionalist - your a threat. Why? Because how dare you question - how dare you use this "free speech" nonsense to backsass your betters. Its dangerous - you having the ability to think and speak your mind. Heck - these tea parties are dangerous - people thinking the government is taking to much money? HMMPH! Remember - the vice president said it was patriotic to pay your taxes. In fact - you should pay more - unless your an undocumented worker of course, then you should take your money and send it to Mexico. You should be thrilled to be paying to hand out condoms to teenagers - and when they don't work as needed - you should be rushing to pay for the abortion - or STD treatments needed.

And guess what - if the government decides that dairy products are one day harming the environment, or making people too fat, or anything else - and you happen to be a dairy farmer, don't be complaining when your shut down and your livelyhood stripped. Same goes for whatever other job you have... sooner or later it becomes the government AGAINST the people. And that is why this is so dangerous - to BOTH sides of political ideology.

And people wonder why I am going to run for PotUS.....

I didn't even know about this and it popped up today...had to cover a town hall with Senator Coburn, and one of the ladies in the audience asked about this.

I've only seen excerpts of 'a' report, and it mentioned that disgruntled servicemen might be vulnerable to recruitment by right-wing terrorist groups, which is a hell of a lot different than saying Ex-GI's are terrorists.

That particular point is probably valid. Extremist organizations of all stripes target the angry and disillusioned, and probably love being able to get their hands on honest-to-God military training. Like it or not, security organizations have to think about crap like that.

The rest of it...well...like I said, I only saw an excerpt, and that was in an AP story, so I won't comment on the rest. It does, on the surface and without examination, seem a little scary.

Especially since I have real issues with the entire concept of the Department of Homeland Security. And the name. Sounds very Third Reich.

First off the words of Thomas Jefferson are not a "terrorist motto" just because one solitary nut had it printed on the back of his t-shirt.

The same issue? McVeigh did what he did because he hated the government. That standard could be applied to everyone at one time or the other. The people that protest at these tea parties are no more ideologically similar to McVeigh than you are.

Again, the words of Thomas Jefferson are NOT an "anti-American rant" and stop making racist associations. This ain't about the Muslims.

The right wing also prides themselves on their loyalty and service to their country. I'd say that makes them far less likely to take violent action against it. Also the extreme left has indeed done a lot more than just talked about it. Sea Shepards, ALF, ELF, PFOC, Black Panthers, M-19 to mention a just a few US based leftist organizations that have done so.

http://video1.washingtontimes.com/vi...mismreport.pdf

Every paper has the story, that's how. See the above link. It is for the Washington Times and it is the 'unclassified' version.

-S

Doubtful. There are right-wing nutcases just like there are left-wing nutcases, and all it takes to drive these kind of folks to violence is something offending their vision of how 'the country should be'.

For example, you and me likely have more than a couple of political differences, and I wouldn't even characterize myself as 'left wing'. Neither one of us, however, seems to be the type to seriously consider the other one to be deliberately turning the good ol' US of A into a communist workers paradise or a goosestepping fascist dictatorship.

But you have people on both sides...not very many thankfully...who would, and who would feel entirely justified in killing either one of us to further whatever vision of America they possess. They don't see it as betraying their country. Few people perceive themselves as the 'bad guy' after all.