Labor Bill Faces Threat in Senate
 

This better get shot down.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123664230925077531.html

This is not Free Choice, it is forced choice. A union guy could walk into any one of your jobs and sit down with you and force you to unionize. Imagine that?

-S

I see nothing in your article that says this.

Read it - the actual bill that is. Its all over the radio today.

This is how it works (quit being so sketicle without due cause - try finding supporting alternate evidence instead of opinon!):
http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/s...9/daily32.html

Anyway, the size of a company means that if you have 2 people working there and 1 signs, you just friggen unionized without choice!!!!

That's BS!

-S

No its not BS its just the normal right wing side of the Union Debate from you.

Let me guess you think it was a bad idea for an increase in minimum wage right?

Is this the 'card check' thing where Unions want to strip the "secret ballot"?

If so its just plain wrong. Unions using strong arm tactics again.

Lighten up Zachstar. Obama is a union supporter if I'm not mistaken. I do not support unions myself. I have my reasons. But hey, if the company wants to go union, who is to stop them?

That passed in Maryland.:down: Bad idea in my view. But, I do not go with union ideals or union companies.

Thats the thing depending on whom you are eployed by you may have no choice.

This is a free country, you always have a choice.

When it comes to unionizing, no you don't if this thing passed. Your freedom is being swindled away.

-S

Bull.

1. You ALWAYS have the freedom to seek another job if working in a union shop is so repulsive to you. Even in the unlikely event there was one, no pre-existing contract or non compete agreement would remain valid. Everything would have to be renegotiated.

2. A majority of the workers have to agree to unionize before it happens. You know, the same way elections are run?

3. You would have the opportunity to convince your fellow workers that the negatives of unionizing outweigh the benefits.

Again - BS! You obvioulsy haven't worked for a career since you would not be so happy if it were pulled out from under you. Its like the guys in the machine shop all vote in, yet you work on systems in another part of the company and you have to too because the shop guys did?

Sorry man. You are supposed to live in a free country. What you speak of is not freedom and I am surprised to hear it from you.

Yes you could walk down the street, but the way this is set up, it will Unionize the whole damn country! You only need look at the United Autoworkers to know how F'd up that would be.

-S

It will not unionize the whole country. There are plenty of companies that take care of their employees and the employees are happy. They do not have to pay the barn boss monthly to 'look out' for them. I work as a contractor in an agency that is a contractor to larger corporation that only hires on contractors. I'm just one of many companies like this.

Well sorry to burst your bubble Subman, but I have been in my career field for 33 years now so obviously you have absolutely no clue what is obvious or not.

You're making wild assumptions with no evidence to back it up. A majority has to sign on to unionize and imo that's the way it should be. Telling the majority of your fellow workers that they can't organize just because you personally don't like the idea is the very opposite of freedom.

Hmm actually its the opposite of democracy, not freedom per say. Freedom and democracy are two different things.

Its just union hate from the usual sources.

Seriously its like some make this to mean the end of the world. The only company who even has a point thinking like that is Wal Mart.

Wal Mart has defeated UFCW time and again because of the difficult process to unionize. When it finally does happen they make a lame excuse and leave the city. So people hate the union afterwards.

As for freedom being taken away. That is BS. 50 percent or more have to agree before the shop is unionized. Don't like it? Leave and don't make a scene doing it because nobody likes a party pooper.

Good jobs will never be unionized. People dont want to just pay the union dues if they already have a great job.

However, Jobs like that are falling quickly. With rising population there has been a rising amount of incidents of employee abuse. This law will end that to an extent by the FEAR of unions. The fear of unionizing will get management to treat employees better companies to adopt better conditions that while a short term loss will be a long term gain when they dont have to negotiate union contracts.

What I am seeing here is two sides on the "No free choice act!" side.

#1 It will give the commies more power! This continued wrong statement from those who cant get over the cold war is just flat out crap and not worth even discussing. If you think unions are communism you need to get an education.

#2 It will ruin the economy! During the growth of unions the middle class saw a huge REAL increase (Unlike the bubble based growth after the Union killing years of Regan and Bush Sr.) in numbers. The nation had more spending money and people actually had time to spend it. The only economy Unions harm is China's as places like Wal Mart which take cheap buy prices as an excuse for huge markups and bad employee policy (Tho I personally will admit the employees there are treated better then some Union Shops that slip under the radar)

There is no #3 as there is no arguement to be made when you base it on the lie that Unions get uber spying powers or some other BS.

If one wants to be anti-union so be it but dont base it on BS.

Well every bit of experience i've had with unions tells me that the "cure" will be worse than the disease. Unions pretty much kill companies, especially small ones.

I've had plenty of experience with unions myself, most of it rather disgusting. They served a purpose, once upon a time, and may well serve one again. Like everything else, though, they can't seem to settle in the middle of the road (so to speak, and not the road that the dead skunk is in either), they just keep playing pendulum and swinging towards the extreme until it's time to come back the other way.

August- I am not sure your understand what the unions here is trying to do....

Say they get 15% of the people in a company to back forming a union. Ok - they get those 15% to start telling the coworkers - on the side - you better sign on - cuz if you don't - when it goes thru - your going to be seen as an "outsider". The union won't want to stand up hard for you because you didnt stand up for it.....

Now you get pressure to sign on - even when you may not want it. The problem here is that instead of having a "secret ballot vote" like has always been done - your view on the matter is now PUBLIC to the union. Under the current rules - if you get enough signatures on the card - you force a vote. The vote is secret - so just like our elections its YOUR choice - no one can villify or punish you for voting your own thoughts. However - this wants to take that away - and make it possible for one side or the other to find out how you voted, and depending on the outcome, perhaps use that against you.

I have no problem with letting unions have a voice if the workers want to form one. But doing it this way means that the unions have an ability to strong arm the workers to create one. Whats wrong with the voters having a private ballot? If they get 51% in that ballot, the union wins. Not one supporter of this bill has shown WHY allowing the workers the privacy of a secret ballot hurts them. The only attempt I have heard in any discussions I have had on this was that its SO hard to get 30% signed on to force the vote. Well if you can't get 30% to sign on to force the vote -why do you think your going to get 51%? But if you can force a "public" vote - then you can use fear to pressure those who would choose otherwise.

That is dishonest. This is merely an attempt to change the process to favor unions as organizations over the rights of the workers.

I understand your concerns Haplo and share them to some extent, but the fact is it's a two way street. The jobs of union supporters in a company that votes non union are just as threatened.