Boehner: No One's Read the "Stimulus"
 

A TRILLION DOLLARS, and Democrats can't be bothered to let the American public, or the members of Congress, read the the bill for the 48 hours THEY PROMISED!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvnwOjDjnH4

Congratulations, Liberal America - these are the power-mad fools you put your faith in. At this rate, in four years our nation will be broke and we'll all be begging for another George Bush - except THAT may not even be legal anymore...

Typical Enigma, Mr. "I'm not a Democrat", to neither understand the value of the dollar, nor be outraged by the flat-out lies of the Democratic Party.

Didn't say the "End" was coming ... I said our nation will be broke. Too complex for you?

Don't expect a Democrat drone to care or understand the consequences of any of this. They simply want to live comfortably in their false paradigms. Consequences or outcomes be damned.....

Guess you missed this thread http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=148129

On the bright side the liberal extrimist own this bill lock stock and barrel so when the end does come there can only be one set of people to blame.

The house vote, which passed, did not recieve a single vote from the right side of the aisle.

Funny how when the tables are turned Repubs moan and complain just as loudly as the democrats did.

You just wait, the moaning hasent even begun.

Well moan all yall want but the country supports the bailout. They are sick of the prospect of having to work to the bone at a minimum wage job.

Will the future generations have to deal with it? Yes. But I think it will be ALOT easier when they have fusion and quantum computers.

You don't find it the least odd that there's public support for something they can't possibly know the whole story about?

That's what I call uninformed decision-making. But why should we expect them to know - their own representatives don't know, either.

Well according to this, 67% of the country trust themselves economically more than the Congress:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._than_congress

Doesn't show much confidence in B. Hussein Obama and the Democrat congress at all.

It actually says 67% of U.S. voters have more confidence in their own judgement than they do Congress. 19% trust Congress more. This 19% are the Democrat drones. And 14% aren't sure.

Most people don't work bare bones minimum wage jobs. Most people doing this year to year as grown adults have made bad choices in their lives. Instead of pursuing education, participating in hard work, and making sound and responsible financial choices, they have made poor decisions which has led to no personal financial and career development. Some have hit hard times and it couldn't be helped....but most in this position are there due to their own poor choices. Just like those obvious Dem drones at the Obama rally in Fort Myers the other day. Reality bites.

And your view of handing this debt to future generations, like it's something that's beneficial is narrow, and very thoughtless. There are children out there who didn't have a vote or say in any of this, and they will inherit this garbage and huge debt. And it all looks to be a complete waste that will do nothing to stimulate the economy, only increase debt and government dependancy. Your last statement is incoherent crap.

from Rasmussen again:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...hey_vote_on_it

Basically says that majority of voters not confident that Congress know what it's doing with economy.

Actually what I see is a bunch of repubs who fear that the stimulus might actually help things. Greatly helping chances for serious repub defeat in 2010.

Otherwise why moan about it? If it falls on its face you can sweep through congress and make the Obama agenda go away.

Get this through whatever mind you do have. Continued deep recession will mean deep cuts in advancement. You cant start paying back the debt if you are still on fossil fuels 20 years from now because the people working on alt energy got laid off.

By the way take some time away from foaming at the mouth to check this out.

http://www.forbes.com/2008/11/17/lay...18tracker.html

What, specifically, are you basing that on? Seems like nothing more than an ideologue's ad hominem attack, to me. Republicans (and some Democrats) who've opposed this bill have been very clear and specific as to why this bill is dangerous - and that includes the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office.

So, again I ask, care to be specific? No? Didn't think so.Just like a typical liberal democrat ... always looking towards the next election and power-grab rather than dealing with the problems we face now...Because, UNLIKE you liberals, the rest of us actually CARE about the country we live in and not just having our side in power. Obviously you haven't read the bill either.

I'm not necessarily against a stimulus package, by the way (there's even a thread here were I posted an alternative). But this bill is NOT A STIMULUS PACKAGE (something that whatever mind YOU have obviously can't comprehend).

What's your point? No one is arguing that the economy isn't bad.

Posting links with irrelevent information doesn't make you seem any smarter than the rest of us, by the way.

I don't know which to disbelieve more, your complete lack of understanding of economic fundamentals or your utter faith in technology that has not yet come of age.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a a technophile as well, but you can't combine real technological process with socialistic systems. It may work for a while, but eventually the system collapses under economic strain. Examples include every socialist nation ever.

Yes, I know that there are socialist nations right now that have or have had some unique technological achievements, but in time they will fail, just like all the others.


While it may be true that the country supports the stimulus package, and some of the bailouts, that is to be expected. Everyone wants "free" stuff, especially when times are difficult. But they always fail to realize the price they, and the nation, will ultimately pay. Case-in-point; Social Security, along with a host of other "New Deal" programs. The country didn't particularly benefit from them at the time, and the nation payed a tremendous bill in the long run.

Your'e operating under the assumption that alternative energy will help. It might, in point of fact, but only if it is more economical than what we have now. Until then, it is just a drain on resources. Do you really think that energy companies are too stupid to know an efficient energy source when they see one? Companies stay in business by using one or both of two methods. Being efficient, or manipulating the government system. Whatever method they choose, they have to remain profitable. If they don't they either (a) go bankrupt or close, or (b) fall back on government support.

By now, it should be quite clear that many companies have opted to bypass the mechanics of supply and demand, and have curried government favor to ensure their continued success. Whether it is in the form of subsidies (which we have many of, just check the Federal budget registry) or tariffs that hamper the competition (check the same) or via lobbying, companies that curry the favor of the state almost always win out. Companies are always efficient, they always seek the best means to profit, so why would you give the horribly inefficient Federal government the right to determine those means?

In your support of Democratic Party initiatives, you are actually slowing progress down. The Federal government has no Constitutional right to issue bailouts, and they have no Constitutional right to promote most of the programs they do.
Would you trust a monopolistic company to handle your life? Of course not. So why would you trust a monopolistic Federal Government to do the same? Why would you give anyone the right to choose for you? Why would the people in that organization function any more efficiently than those in a private organization, who are competing for jobs, wages, and position? Surely you can't be so naive as to believe that so many people would do their best out of "patriotic duty", and a visit to your local DMV or Social Security office should convince you of that.

The Deomcrats' socialistic system removes incentive from those under it.
IMO, those that choose such a system are those that want things done, but aren't willing to put forth the effort themselves, and they are preyed upon by people who exploit that desire, espite their consistent inability to deliver the prmised results.

The Republican (not so much in it's current form) system, seeks to force individuals to take responsibility for their own destinies, and take care of themselves. This encourages competition, which in turn encourages efficiency, in every sector of market and government.

We had a Civil War over this once, you know. Between people who wanted to tell everyone else what to do and people that wanted to make their own choices. Guess which side was which.

All I ask is that you step down from your high horse for just a momnent, and assume that it may be possible that not everyone that doesn't think like you is an idiot.
Is it, perhaps, possible that you don't know the right answer for everyone? Is there a chance that you aren't the smartest person on the face of the planet; One that can make a socialist society work, for once?

Maybe you should consider the idea of letting others profit or suffer from their own decisions, instead of telling them how to think.


I apologize for any rudeness that might have been conveyed, but please understand that I feel as strongly about these kinds of issues as you do, and forgive my inability to express them in a totally inoccuous fashion.

"The country"? You speak for all of us? Or even most of us? I don't recall anyone asking me. I'm not a great lover of Federally-supported welfare, of any kind or on any level.

While I dislike name-calling, especially of the "I'm right" political kind, I also dislike using "the country", i.e. me, as an example, from either side.

If you read the polls, the country also is not in favor of this bill.

-S

Whoooops! :yeah:

How dare you question authority you don't need to know otherwise they would have told you., did you ever think of that? No I suppose not. Just sit back and think positively all is well. Sheesh you must be republican if you think beyond what you are told, so sit down and shut-up you have nothing to fear.



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