In the Movies: Operation Valkyrie
 

I just saw the movie Operation Valkyrie starring Tom Cruise. Based on the true story of Claus von Stauffenberg and the German Military Restiance in the plot to assainate Adolf Hitler. All who where involed in the plot where arested and sentenced to death by firing squad. The story of Von Stauffenberg is a testiment that one man can change the world, for better or worse is the desion of that man. Here are some link for the history behind the story. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Valkyrie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_S...n_Stauffenberg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_July_plot

If they had only had been sucessful, what the world would be.

I bet after 3 posts, this thread will turn into either a) Tom Cruise hate thread or b) Scientology hate thread. :hmm:

Yet is not about eather.:yep:

Any good?

Yeah, I was thinking about seeing it but was a little leery. How was it?

The movie is quite worth seeing, it keeps with the historical facts of the events. The special effects are stunning. Other than that there are only two faults that I have found with the movie, the plane that brings Von Stauffenberg to the Wolfs Lair was not a JU-52 but an HE-111 and the the trucks that where used in the film had Benz markings and not Opel Blitz.

I think I can forgive them a couple of vehicles.:D

LOL tom cruse suks an sientology


I didn't go see Valkyrie because I thought it would get arcade-style with the Germans. Might go see now.

to bad that it is in english :-? , he manage to speak Japans in The last samurai why not german in this movie, you lose all the charm of the story like this :nope:

The start of the movie for the first five to six minutes he does speak german.

I have to see this movie i remeber reading about this in a book, then seen a documentary on it and now theirs a movie out about it with Tom Midget I mean Cruise! Tom might be a retardo but he does make good movies. Gotta give him that.

I don't think it had changed much. Remember it was July 1944. THe west allied had already landed in Normandy and the Russians were pressing westwards. What would it have changed?
The Russians would have never accepted a truce, not while they were on the winning side. And the west? I don't know but that isn't important since the main battles and the biggest threat came from the east.

I think von Stauffenberg and all the others are highly overrated. Just imagine WHEN did they try to get rid of Hitler? July 44 when everyone knew it was over. If they had done that a year earlyier it might had had a chance to change something.

Have a look at those:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rose

I value them much higher than a bunch of soldiers who did not dare to kill Hitler in an open battle. Stauffenberg met Hitler personally. If he believed so much in Germany and that Hitler had to be eliminated than he had shot him with his pistol instead of planting a bomb.

Perhaps a more interesting concept is if the Germans had surrendered to the Western Allies only, thus placing the Soviets in the position of if they continue their westward advance they risk coming into open conflict with the Western Allies. How much would the map of Germany have changed? :hmm: Would the Soviets have accepted a German truce in these circumstances? I know Raptor probably wouldn't :lol:

I think it would really made a big difference:

1. The human one: During the last 1 1/2 years of the war there were as many deads as during all the war years before - together. The last part saw an increase in brutality in every respect.
2. The strategic one: After Hitler death an opening of the western Front could have been an option offering the opportunity to thrown everything against the Russians to keep them out of middle Europe. No Arnheim or Ardennes offensive: It would have been the Western Allies who would have reached Berlin and Prague - maybe even Warsaw first, thus putting them in a much better position of at Potsdam.

German critics did not give it the cold welcome that was to be expected, but then again the general statement is: it is trivial, with Cruise giving a trivial performance as well, leaving you wondering why anybody would have followed Graf Stauffenberg if he really would have been the way Cruise plays him. Several very inconsistent scenes have been pointed out as well.

From what I read I conclude this film is not one of the better ones, and will be forgotten soon. I have no plans to spend my money on it.

Aw, c'mon Sky. We make bad war movies about everybody, including ourselves, and we watch them all the time. :D

Cruise really wasn't that good, though, imo. So I'd agree with that. Actually, you could clip Cruise's expressions from most of that movie, and paste them over his face in a lot of his other movies, and nobody would notce.

I really just went to see ww2-era uniforms and equipment rendered in an enjoyable and realistic fashion. I'd recommend it just for that, and for being the first major "hollywood" war movie in a while that didn't have some star gunning down dozens of axis troops at a time, in the guise of "historical accuracy"

Not quite in the same category as Letters from Iwo Jima or Flags of our Fathers, but it was enjoyable enough.

Ha, I watched "Letters" yesterday for the second time, to refresh my first impression from it's DVd release. It's an okay movie, but nothing more. "Flags" I simply found extremely boring, and shallow. both movies I do not rank amongst Eastwood's better movies (as director). His most mature director's works probably are "The Bridges of Madison Country" and "Million Dollar Baby". "Unforgiven" also was a very good character movie.

But "Bridges" I like best of them all. Very mature, and sensible.

You are correct. All I can see, is Tom cruise, wearing a nazi uniform, jumping up and down on oprah's couch, saying; "scienctology uber alles."

He's a freak, I can't even stand top gun anymore.:roll: :rotfl:

And how would that have changed after Hitlers death? The Russians would not just stop and go home, they wanted revenge for everything that happened the years before.
And the west allied forces would just abandon the war, now that they were sure to win it, leaving their Russian allies alone and go home?
Well the west allied pushed through Germany and reached even parts which later became east Germany. They pulled back and gave the Russians the teritory they had originaly conquered. Russia would have never settled without revenche and compensation from Germany and I highly doubt the west allied were looking for trouble with Russia.

This is not a typical Tom Cruise attack, rather a typical attack on the American "let's remake a foreign film with American voices so we don't need to read subtitles".

Seriously, if you wanna see the story from a German perspective with original voices, then go watch the German film, which was made just a couple of years earlier (2004):
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388437/

I highly doubt that I will be watching the Tom Cruise version before it's aired in television... :lol: