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Frame57 12-18-08 12:06 PM

Obama chooses Rick Warren
 
Well, you will be seeing this on the news today. Obama chose Pastor Rick Warren to officiate swearing in the soon to be POTUS. Intersting choice I thought. Comically, I thought how funny it would be to have Jeremiah Wright perform this ceremony. The extreme right was concerned that he would use a Koran rather than a Bible upon which to place his hand. The Gay community especially here in CA has already erupted in flames over this choice. Guess you cannot please all the people all the time.

Aramike 12-18-08 03:32 PM

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Guess you cannot please all the people all the time.
Truer words have never been spoken...

baggygreen 12-18-08 07:11 PM

And what is rick warrens background that the gay and lesbian community are so angry?

August 12-18-08 07:31 PM

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And what is rick warrens background that the gay and lesbian community are so angry?

He supported Californias proposition 8 (ban on gay marriages).

Frame57 12-18-08 08:58 PM

Well, I just do not see what the problem is. First of all the "Gay" community does not represent the majority of people here in America. Secondly, this is for the inauguration ceremony. Not like he is appointing the fellow to be a cabinet member. Thirdly, Obama professes to be a Christian and I guess he wanted a Christian to officiate the ceremony.

A Very Super Market 12-18-08 09:59 PM

What? You mean Obama isn't a muslim!!!?



Just cuz he selected a guy against gay marriage doesn't mean Obama is...

Enigma 12-19-08 10:21 AM

Yeah, this whole thing is very silly. I could care less what this man's opinions and positions are. I disagree with him, but so does Obama. It's absurd this is the fodder of "news" talk shows right now. As if anyone should care. :doh::roll:

Frame57 12-19-08 10:33 AM

I am pretty sure BO publicly announced his faith. He is for traditional marriage, but I think he was against prop 8 which is why people are in a rage over this....

AVGWarhawk 12-19-08 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Frame57
Well, I just do not see what the problem is. First of all the "Gay" community does not represent the majority of people here in America. Secondly, this is for the inauguration ceremony. Not like he is appointing the fellow to be a cabinet member. Thirdly, Obama professes to be a Christian and I guess he wanted a Christian to officiate the ceremony.

What the gay community is attempting to do is turn this in to a civil rights issue. Is it really a civil right issue? I think not.

What do you fellas think?

AVGWarhawk 12-19-08 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Frame57
I am pretty sure BO publicly announced his faith. He is for traditional marriage, but I think he was against prop 8 which is why people are in a rage over this....

BO said he did not support gay marriage. I believe he stated this in one of the debates.

Enigma 12-19-08 10:37 AM

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What the gay community is attempting to do is turn this in to a civil rights issue. Is it really a civil right issue? I think not.

What do you fellas think?
Is Obama's choice of this man a civil rights issue? No.

Is prop 8, or denying gay folks the right to marry a civil rights issue? Absolutely.

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"A couple of years ago, I was invited to Rick Warren's church to speak, despite his awareness that I held views that were entirely contrary to his when it came to gay and lesbian rights, when it came to issues like abortion," he said. "Nevertheless, I had an opportunity to speak. And that dialogue, I think, is part of what my campaign's been all about -- that we're not going to agree on every single issue, but what we have to do is to be able to create an atmosphere where we can disagree without being disagreeable and then focus on those things that we hold in common as Americans." -Barack Obama
That's podium speak for: "Liberals. I know this upsets some of you, and I don't care". And frankly, I agree with him.

Frame57 12-19-08 10:58 AM

Definitely they are using it for their agenda. Gays do not marry or want to marry to have a family as nature dictates, they cannot unless they adopt. So it is just a slick way for them to manipulate the system and rape the tax payer for benefits. It will burden companies and the social security system further. The reality is that we are allowing sexual based behavior to hijack traditional family structures for money and benefits. What's next the beastiality freaks will have the same argument and the ACLU will no doubt support them as well.:nope:

Enigma 12-19-08 11:14 AM

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Definitely they are using it for their agenda. Gays do not marry or want to marry to have a family as nature dictates, they cannot unless they adopt. So it is just a slick way for them to manipulate the system and rape the tax payer for benefits. It will burden companies and the social security system further. The reality is that we are allowing sexual based behavior to hijack traditional family structures for money and benefits. What's next the beastiality freaks will have the same argument and the ACLU will no doubt support them as well.:nope:
Anybody that equated 2 HUMAN homosexuals wanting to be married with bestiality, (even while spelling bestiality incorrectly) has no place in the conversation. If you consider gay people less than human, then who are you to speak on human rights?

AVGWarhawk 12-19-08 11:15 AM

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Is prop 8, or denying gay folks the right to marry a civil rights issue? Absolutely.
How? The civil right movement was for voter rights, equal opportunity in work, pay and abolishing segregation. This movement was for a race of peoples, not a decision to marry. I think they are far off the mark by labeling this a civil rights movement. What civil rights have they lost?

AVGWarhawk 12-19-08 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Enigma
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Definitely they are using it for their agenda. Gays do not marry or want to marry to have a family as nature dictates, they cannot unless they adopt. So it is just a slick way for them to manipulate the system and rape the tax payer for benefits. It will burden companies and the social security system further. The reality is that we are allowing sexual based behavior to hijack traditional family structures for money and benefits. What's next the beastiality freaks will have the same argument and the ACLU will no doubt support them as well.:nope:
Anybody that equated 2 HUMAN homosexuals wanting to be married with bestiality, (even while spelling bestiality incorrectly) has no place in the conversation. If you consider gay people less than human, then who are you to speak on human rights?

I think he was pointing out that if this 'odd' behavior as some see it gets the OK, then any other 'odd' behavior will be drawn in under the same premise. In other words, should the 'odd' behavior of the Man/Boy group be included now?

AVGWarhawk 12-19-08 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
I think he was pointing out that if this 'odd' behavior as some see it gets the OK, then any other 'odd' behavior will be drawn in under the same premise. In other words, should the 'odd' behavior of the Man/Boy group be included now?

Oh boy, how to sugar coat a crock of sh!t, I hope not to see you complaining about political correctness in the future :o

How is it a crock of sh!t? My nephew is openly gay. I have met his other half. My kids have had dinner at his house and played board games. So really, what do you know about political correctness? Do I agree with my nephews lifestyle? No. Do I condemn him for it. No. Do I use derogatory words of wit that people use for the gay community? No. I support it so I do not see him hanging himself in the closet over the issues he faces. Is he left out of life, pay and lost liberties because he can not marry? No. He just finished college and is now sixth grade teacher. Political correctness and addressing the real emotional issue I experienced with my nephew who came out of the closet are two very different things in my reality. Do I believe gays should be able to marry, yes but I do not see it as a civil rights issue.

mookiemookie 12-19-08 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
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Originally Posted by Enigma
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Definitely they are using it for their agenda. Gays do not marry or want to marry to have a family as nature dictates, they cannot unless they adopt. So it is just a slick way for them to manipulate the system and rape the tax payer for benefits. It will burden companies and the social security system further. The reality is that we are allowing sexual based behavior to hijack traditional family structures for money and benefits. What's next the beastiality freaks will have the same argument and the ACLU will no doubt support them as well.:nope:
Anybody that equated 2 HUMAN homosexuals wanting to be married with bestiality, (even while spelling bestiality incorrectly) has no place in the conversation. If you consider gay people less than human, then who are you to speak on human rights?

I think he was pointing out that if this 'odd' behavior as some see it gets the OK, then any other 'odd' behavior will be drawn in under the same premise. In other words, should the 'odd' behavior of the Man/Boy group be included now?

Two grown adults can consent to a committed adult sexual relationship whereas an animal or child cannot.

AVGWarhawk 12-19-08 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl
Ok, clearer: you sugar coated Frame57's crock of sh!t :)


oooooooooooo...sometimes you just make me mad :nope: :rotfl:

AVGWarhawk 12-19-08 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
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Originally Posted by Enigma
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Definitely they are using it for their agenda. Gays do not marry or want to marry to have a family as nature dictates, they cannot unless they adopt. So it is just a slick way for them to manipulate the system and rape the tax payer for benefits. It will burden companies and the social security system further. The reality is that we are allowing sexual based behavior to hijack traditional family structures for money and benefits. What's next the beastiality freaks will have the same argument and the ACLU will no doubt support them as well.:nope:
Anybody that equated 2 HUMAN homosexuals wanting to be married with bestiality, (even while spelling bestiality incorrectly) has no place in the conversation. If you consider gay people less than human, then who are you to speak on human rights?

I think he was pointing out that if this 'odd' behavior as some see it gets the OK, then any other 'odd' behavior will be drawn in under the same premise. In other words, should the 'odd' behavior of the Man/Boy group be included now?

Two grown adults can consent to a committed adult sexual relationship whereas an animal or child cannot.

Very true and a valid argument presumably in a court of law.

Frame57 12-19-08 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Enigma
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Definitely they are using it for their agenda. Gays do not marry or want to marry to have a family as nature dictates, they cannot unless they adopt. So it is just a slick way for them to manipulate the system and rape the tax payer for benefits. It will burden companies and the social security system further. The reality is that we are allowing sexual based behavior to hijack traditional family structures for money and benefits. What's next the beastiality freaks will have the same argument and the ACLU will no doubt support them as well.:nope:
Anybody that equated 2 HUMAN homosexuals wanting to be married with bestiality, (even while spelling bestiality incorrectly) has no place in the conversation. If you consider gay people less than human, then who are you to speak on human rights?

Oooops! I had a typo and you must be the hall monitor here... No! What i am saying is that this is a sexual behavior issue. i.e. sexual behavior does not mandate rights in any way shape or form. This does not impy that homosexuals are sub human...that is your false interpretation of what I have written.


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