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AVGWarhawk 11-05-08 11:28 AM

Sad really
 
The closing paragraph is very telling about Americans. Such a shame and such a shame the world notices.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122584386627599251.html

Tchocky 11-05-08 11:38 AM

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while his refusal to retreat in Iraq has enraged liberals who have unrealistic expectations about the challenges we face there.It seems that no matter what Mr. Bush does, he is blamed for everything. He remains despised by the left while continuously disappointing the right.
Totally failing to mention that it was his idea to start the bloody war in the first place.

File under bulls**t

donut 11-05-08 11:50 AM

That same lack of respect,elected Obama !
 
The hooray for me,dis you,pie in the sky,greed.sickens conservative values.
"It's not what your country,can do for you;but what you can do for your country"JFK.

AVGWarhawk 11-05-08 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky
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while his refusal to retreat in Iraq has enraged liberals who have unrealistic expectations about the challenges we face there.It seems that no matter what Mr. Bush does, he is blamed for everything. He remains despised by the left while continuously disappointing the right.
Totally failing to mention that it was his idea to start the bloody war in the first place.

File under bulls**t

Ah, it has to pass the house and the senate for war sir. He did not do this all by himself not to mention Collin Powells WMD mis-information. The American people backed it. Like most fans, when they see their team losing, the go home and find another team to root for.

Sea Demon 11-05-08 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
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Originally Posted by Tchocky
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while his refusal to retreat in Iraq has enraged liberals who have unrealistic expectations about the challenges we face there.It seems that no matter what Mr. Bush does, he is blamed for everything. He remains despised by the left while continuously disappointing the right.
Totally failing to mention that it was his idea to start the bloody war in the first place.

File under bulls**t

Ah, it has to pass the house and the senate for war sir. He did not do this all by himself not to mention Collin Powells WMD mis-information. The American people backed it. Like most fans, when they see their team losing, the go home and find another team to root for.

Of course these fools forget terrorist operations on U.S. soil and UN ceasefire agreements from the First Gulf War.

Bewolf 11-05-08 11:59 AM

Wall Street Journal, eh? Wait, there was something....Wall Street...managers, failed managers....ah yes, golden parachute! There we have it. Knew this sounded familiar. No matter how much you fail, praised shall thou be!

And as usual, the ever present big bad "enemy" is listening.

AVGWarhawk 11-05-08 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewolf
Wall Street Journal, eh? Wait, there was something....Wall Street...managers, failed managers....ah yes, golden parachute! There we have it. Knew this sounded familiar. No matter how much you fail, praised shall thou be!

And as usual, the ever present big bad "enemy" is listening.

What does a new paper named the Wall Street Journal have to do with Wall Street failure?

AVGWarhawk 11-05-08 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl
Bush didn't do anything wrong, he didn't ask Powell to lie, he didn't pick Cheney for VP, etc. Soon you'll hear that he's actually a closet antiwar activist.

It would seem you missed the part about the 90% approval rating after 9/11. What then did this one single solitary man do to get the approval rating he has now? Why is the approval rating of Capitol Hill lower than Bush's? Group effort? You betch'ya.

Skybird 11-05-08 12:09 PM

Pathetic essay.

Some people here might be surprisd, but actually I never thought Bush to be an "evil" man. I just think he is incompetent to handle the office, and his dilletantism is the answer to many failures of his. this weaknes left a vacuum that then was all too willingly filled by others, claiming to do things in his name he even was not aware of, and maybe even not caring for things being like this - he maybe even did not want to know. If there is one general mistake of Bush to identify, then that he failed in keeping his house under control. Instead he allowed the servants to run the show not to his but to their views, he allowed them to influence him instead of him inspiring them, and whenever he had to decide soemthing himself, he failed, since he was not used to it. Seen that way, Bush has shown a great heap of incompetence indeed, but on a human level he is not really evil, but tragic.

Digital_Trucker 11-05-08 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl
Yup, poor sod didn't do anything to deserve this, shame on the people :nope:

And shame on those who blame everything that happens on the President. It takes three to tango in the US, Congress, the Senate and the Prez (and he can even be over-ruled). While GW certainly did his share of screwing things up, the rest of the government has done it's share, too (as evidenced by the fact that Congresses approval rating is lower than GW's).


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Originally Posted by Tchocky
Totally failing to mention that it was his idea to start the bloody war in the first place.

File under bulls**t

And totally forgetting to mention that Congress helped him carry it out.

Sea Demon 11-05-08 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl
Bush didn't do anything wrong, he didn't ask Powell to lie, he didn't pick Cheney for VP, etc. Soon you'll hear that he's actually a closet antiwar activist.

No, Bush is not a perfect man. One of his greatest flaws was listening to his critics. Democrats have slandered our war efforts since the beginning. He should have done everything it took to secure these war zones despite the criticisms. I think when it gets down to it, the USA will miss Mr. Bush. Give it a couple of years. It depends on how Obama conducts himself. And no, I don't care how you view it. You're not an American voter.

Digital_Trucker 11-05-08 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewolf
Wall Street Journal, eh? Wait, there was something....Wall Street...managers, failed managers....ah yes, golden parachute! There we have it. Knew this sounded familiar. No matter how much you fail, praised shall thou be!

And as usual, the ever present big bad "enemy" is listening.

Funny you should mention Wall Street and golden parachutes. Also funny that you don't mention them when you speak of Obama even though three of the former top executives at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were campaign advisers to our president-elect.

Sea Demon 11-05-08 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker
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Originally Posted by Tchocky
Totally failing to mention that it was his idea to start the bloody war in the first place.

File under bulls**t

And totally forgetting to mention that Congress helped him carry it out.

Don't forget, many of those Democrats are on record calling Saddam a threat with WMD programs.

GoldenRivet 11-05-08 12:15 PM

its the story of so many presidents - love them at first and within 3 or 4 years blame them for all the problems.

The fact is Congress wields the power... if anyone deserves the hatred its them.

Torps 11-05-08 12:17 PM

Not right
 
Bush did not deserve that crap. I admit I liked him in his first term but not after. He has had terrible judgement but I truly believe he had the best intentions.

Biggles 11-05-08 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird
Seen that way, Bush has shown a great heap of incompetence indeed, but on a human level he is not really evil, but tragic.

Basically what I try to tell people up here everyday. People call him an idiot, but I doubt that he'd managed to get the presidentpost if he was. Still, I can't say I'm very happy with these last 5 years or so. When Bush got the post (2001) I was simply too young to care about american politics, or politics anywhere really. (I was 10, turning 11). 9/11 caught my undying interest, partly because it was such a terrifying event, and partly because I visited the towers merely 1 month before. But then my interest faded.

In 2003 the war in Iraq began. I was slightly older, and took great interest in the current affairs. Then the years passed, and, for me, it became more and more apparent that Bush didn't do it for me. I don't remember my thoughts of the result after the election 2004, nowadays I think why the hell they let him go on, but it's easy to be "efterklok" as we say it here:smug:

I'll be glad when George Walker Bush steps down from the scene, but I would never, EVER call him "evil", or stupid. He is, IMHO, incompetent, but that's not the same thing.

Digital_Trucker 11-05-08 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet
its the story of so many presidents - love them at first and within 3 or 4 years blame them for all the problems.

The fact is Congress wields the power... if anyone deserves the hatred its them.

Yet the dominant party in Congress gains seats while the public has no confidence in the ones who are already there. Go figure:hmm: Too many people judging politicians by what they say rather than what they do.

Torps 11-05-08 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet
its the story of so many presidents - love them at first and within 3 or 4 years blame them for all the problems.

The fact is Congress wields the power... if anyone deserves the hatred its them.

Obama, Pelosi, Reed and Franks. And I though it couldn't get any worse.

AVGWarhawk 11-05-08 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird
Pathetic essay.

Some people here might be surprisd, but actually I never thought Bush to be an "evil" man. I just think he is incompetent to handle the office, and his dilletantism is the answer to many failures of his. this weaknes left a vacuum that then was all too willingly filled by others, claiming to do things in his name he even was not aware of, and maybe even not caring for things being like this - he maybe even did not want to know. If there is one general mistake of Bush to identify, then that he failed in keeping his house under control. Instead he allowed the servants to run the show not to his but to their views, he allowed them to influence him instead of him inspiring them, and whenever he had to decide soemthing himself, he failed, since he was not used to it. Seen that way, Bush has shown a great heap of incompetence indeed, but on a human level he is not really evil, but tragic.

I'm guessing you are missing the point of the "pathetic essay". Do you really think he deserves what he is getting?

Bewolf 11-05-08 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker
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Originally Posted by Bewolf
Wall Street Journal, eh? Wait, there was something....Wall Street...managers, failed managers....ah yes, golden parachute! There we have it. Knew this sounded familiar. No matter how much you fail, praised shall thou be!

And as usual, the ever present big bad "enemy" is listening.

Funny you should mention Wall Street and golden parachutes. Also funny that you don't mention them when you speak of Obama even though three of the former top executives at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were campaign advisers to our president-elect.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeees.....I suppose ex managers of rural town banks would have been more knowledgeable advisors, right?


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