Its getting colder! Alaskan Glaciers grow for first time in 250 Years!!!
 

But everyone will tell you that Al Gore said there is global warming happening, so this can't be true! :D

http://www.dailytech.com/Alaskan+Gla...ticle13215.htm

-S

PS. Besides, we haven't had a thread like this in ages!

The earth goes through natural heating and cooling periods. I learned that in the 6th grade. Having said that, I am all for people being good stewards of this planet. But Al and his cronies are hyping people up with fear tactics, which is a good motivator for them.

Well said man. Being a good steward and using FUD to make you buy product they have large stakes in ($1.8 Bil for Al Gore in green techs) are two very different things.

-S

That's because Palin and her hot air isn't in Alaska to melt them :lol:

(note, this note is by no means a statement on my political views, but merely an opportunity taken.)

I would take this to mean you have a crush on her by calling her hot.

-S

No it's getting warmer. Oil price is dropping!

OUCH!:D

No, that just can't be.

Several people on this forum have very clearly said that we are in the midst of a severe human caused global warming epidemic and that we should give all our money to developing nations and start living in grass huts, using only non polluting body heat to stay warm.

Many of these same people have claimed that we are nearly out of oil and that the price would continue to go ever up until only the rich can afford to buy it.

Just wait, you'll see...

Holy crap it's Michael Asher.

*surprise*

Me probably amongst them:). Perhaps on the developing nations issue we can can share a laugh about the Sierra Club's take that as people in the 3rd world use 1/6th the energy we use, we should ban immigration to the west as it increases their carbon footprint. 'Lefties with a 'right wing' stance:D

LMAO :rotfl:

I thought it was 'cause I stopped driving my truck !

Yeah, and the Al Gore crowd will squeal that we need to drop coal dust on the glaciers if they get too big. As they will say if we don't, we'll all have to live in igloos and eat raw fish and seals, and whales.

Yes, wait and see it rise again after this recession. :know:

The usual suspects with the usual hooey, for the 1001st time. What a surprise! I must not even read it to know what it is about: hooey.

Pedersen glacier, Alaska
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3...glacierac1.jpg

Muir glacier, Alaska
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2...glaciereo9.jpg

Northwestern glacier, Alaska
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/5...nglaciera6.jpg

Bear glacier, alaska
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/8...glacierpe6.jpg

McCarty glacier, Alaska
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9...glacierta4.jpg

From NOAA (subordinate to the US ministry of commerce):
http://www.noaa.gov/
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories...ticreport.html
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/index.html

Atmosphere Changes:
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/atmosphere.html

Sea Ice reduction:
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/seaice.html

Ocean Salinity and temperature:
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/ocean.html

Land Effects (Permafrost, snow, glaciers, etc)
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/land.html

changes in animal populations:
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/biology.html

Greenland-specific
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/greenland.html

Time-wise limited paradoxical effects due to climate warming have been described, forseen and explained since years. Why the ice in parts of the antarctic for some years will increase in thickness and why this is an evidence for air and sea warming up, has been explained since years. It also has been forseen. Why in some regions of the world glaciers eventually for a short while will give the impression to increase in size, has been explained since years. But feel free to ignore all that for another couple of years: that is called the right of free opionion. but having a right of free opinion does not mean that the question wether or not 2 plus 2 makes 4 is open for discussion, and is a question of opinion. You can be of the very precious and very important opinion that 2+2=4 is wrong - but who cares.

Having an opinion and having a reasonable argument - are two totally different things. Just be loud enough: and people will mistake volume for argument.

Skybird - Yawn!

No it hasn't been explained. The NOAA know this better than anybody - that we are still low for the average Earth temp over 3000 years.

There are rogue scientists in both the NOAA and NASA. Including that whacked carbon NASA employee that testified to get vandals off in the UK recently by making everyone think they were justified in destroying property.

Tired of this nonsense. Where is the real long term data? Let me guess, the NOAA has suppressed it! Duh! You only have 100 years there. This is simply climbing out of our last Ice Age which was at its height at about the time George Washington was taking on the British - the American Revolution!

Why is your head so buried up your you no what that you can't see this?

-S

Subman,

Some scientists are actually looking into volcanic activity as to why the "Little Iceage" occurred. I think it has led some to look at the volcanic erruption on the island of Tambora I think. And the possibility of desalination of the oceans disrupting the currents, which help to moderate the world temps. Coupled with the ending of the medieval warming, which started to turn cooler around 1300 A.D. So have we hit the equivalent of the warm period? Not unless you can grow wine grapes in the British midlands, and compete with the French Winemakers.

This is from the History Channel about the program they ran on it.


Scientists call it the Little Ice Age--but its impact was anything but small. From 1300 to 1850, a period of cataclysmic cold caused havoc. It froze Viking colonists in Greenland, accelerated the Black Death in Europe, decimated the Spanish Armada, and helped trigger the French Revolution. The Little Ice Age reshaped the world in ways that now seem the stuff of fantasy--New York Harbor froze and people walked from Manhattan to Staten Island, Eskimos sailed kayaks as far south as Scotland, and "the year without a summer" saw two feet of snow fell on New England one June and July.
Could another catastrophic cold snap strike in the 21st century? Leading climatologists offer the latest theories, and scholars and historians recreate the history that could be a glimpse of things to come. Face the cold, hard truth of the past--an era that may be a window to our future

It was quite good really. Some interesting ideas on what how and why. Nothing difinative though, as of course like you said, there weren't many records kept beyond the last 100 years in any form of mass volumes. Well, maybe the library of Alexandria, but that burned up long ago. But they do have some records like those of Galileo, and I think even old Thomas Jefferson too, that they reference to.

The point is that if "global warming", erm excuse me, "climate change" is indeed primarily caused by humans, and i'm not at all convinced that it is, then it is because of our numbers more than anything else. We can all trade in our air conditioners for paddle fans and keep our houses just above freezing in the winter, whatever, but it won't make a bit of difference as long as world population keeps rising.

Science is getting better at documenting changes in our environment but it can't make more than the most generalized of forecasts and even then they are wrong as often as not.

To think about
 

If you think about it what we humans are doing is speeding up climate change. The temps fluctuate, I think all we are doing is changing the pace that which it happens.

You guys might find this crazy but here something to think about. I think a Ice Age is going to happen sooner rather then later. Sound crazy? Consider this, pollutants block the suns UV rays. but they also keep the warm air in. When the oceans rise from the melting ice they cool, which will lower the temps in the north and change the weather pattern as well as keep the warm tropic ocean currents to the south. It will be colder and the suns uv rays will be blocked by our pollution so in the end global warming is not my worry, there will be less UV rays hitting the earth then ever before, its the cooling I am worried about, the last ice age didn't have mans pollution to block the suns rays. If I read correctly we get 17& less sunlight hitting the earth compared to the early 50s.

And volcanos are like cars they block the suns rays. Imagine there were no cars before.

Well, humans definitely do play a part in changing the climate. However, the Earth also goes through natural cycles that change it. Really, both are to blame.

Im not here to praise Cesar only to bury him......the great lakes in NA were carved out by glaciers and then filled with fresh water by........anyone, anyone, global warming. Before man ever fuc%ed up anything else. I do agree, over population will screw a lot of things up, but mother earth is large, been here a long time, and can take care of herself.