Hypocrite...
 

When someone like the Pope, the head of the richest and most powerful Christian religion in the world, arrayed in all his splendor like King Solomon of old, makes commentary on "wealth"...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7654878.stm

Sorry, but I can't picture the Holy See doing a communion in 'sackcloth and ashes" anytime soon...

Should I...? :D Should I...? :p Should I...? :sunny:

So... what's holding you back? This should be fertile ground... ;) Point is, while I agree with him, accumulation and pursuit of wealth is rather futile (you can't take it with you and I have my convictions regarding my faith), I simply think it's hypocritical. And, of course, I'm demonstrating my own hypocrisy too I suspect...

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All I can say is that his grasp of economics is pitiful. :nope:

Are those diamonds and gems in his crown?

No, it's all glass and plastic:lol:

The phrase, "Do as I say, not as I do", comes to mind.

Most of the criticisms are self-evident, obviously. Aside from that, where the Dope's argument is fundamentally flawed is that he assumes that people pursue welath for its own sake, whereas most people seek it for the security it brings - good housing, food on the table, health care, better education for your kids, etc.

Ask a catholic child in some backstreet in a South American city whether he would prefer salvation or shoes on his feet and food in his belly.

First off it's "Pope", not "Dope". If you can't discuss the issue without insulting the religion of a third of the planet maybe you ought to keep your opinions to yourself.

Secondly, none of the Catholic churches assets belong to an individual but rather to the organization. The current pope no more owns the diamonds in the Papal Tiara (yeah that's what they call it) than the Queen of England owns the jewels in the English crown and if either should step down their fancy hats go to their successor.

Im not rich and i know im better of than most in this planet but i dont consider my pursuit of more wealth pointless. Its mans natural desire, and it can either be in the open or in the shadows, i think open is better.

So does that right to be rude extend to comments about cheese eating surrender monkey Frenchies as well or is that different somehow?

And BTW i didn't say the above to be mean but rather to illustrate that what Clive has done is marginalize and discourage every Catholic who reads this forum from participating in this discussion.

Now I don't know him well enough to understand if this was his intention but I see this kind of thing an awful lot here and would rather people keep those attitudes to themselves.

Regardless how you see him, his words ring true. A recession also means less money for his coffers too by the way.

-S

Can't we all just get along?http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/icons/icon10.gif

C'mon Mihkayl, give Ratzie a break, it's not his fault, it's Catholic Churches Co.

Kidding, August I'm sorry, I tend to partly agree on Mikhayl on his views about deityism, but that doesn' give us the right ot mock others religions... However, this isn't about Cristianity, it's about the Catholic church in general and about it's at present CEO in particular...

You can't hurt beliefs... Let's trie to hurt persons instead http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/icons/icon10.gif I kid! I kid!

Tough calling him Dope is funny:rotfl:

I've often used the issue of the vatican's vast funds in debates with my fiancee about religion.

Shes a 2nd gen aussie with italian catholics for family, and im a follower of the church of baggy.

The catholic church has been guilty of hypocrisy throughout its history. so has the anglicans, the protestants, the muslims, the jews... all of em. Why should anything change now??

It will never change because the hypocrisy is caused by humans, not religion.

In a way one could say relgions are hypocrisy. They claim to have knowledge that they have not, nevertheless they form it into a dogma and infest society with it. Especially kids.

Child abuse that is called.

Yes, you could say that. I believe you just did. And I'm sure you believe it. Correct that, I'm sure you know that it's true. You've dogmatized your disbelief in religion and are attempting to infest society with your beliefs . Adult abuse that is called.

In spite of your implication homosexuals and Muslims both have their staunch defenders in this forum and rightly so. How come you've never had a problem with that like you do whenever someone tries to defend their religion? Do you feel that maybe religious folks participation is less worthy? :D

I also recall to have defended the French upon occasion from my fellow countrymen who forget the historic ties between our two nations. Perhaps my efforts were misplaced? Perhaps they were right?

I was raised a Catholic. The Pope is the leader of my church. You attack him, you attack my church, you attack me and I reserve the right to defend myself and my religion. Don't like it? Too bad because i'm not abandoning my principles to satisfy the atheist contingent in this forum.