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aw heck now that IS embarassing!!!!
Started a new career from the start of the war. Took S-27 out to sea and after a month at sea things were good, two 5000 ton ships sunk and moving into position on a small convoy.
My engines were stopped so they couldn't hear me yet the lead destroyer opens up with his ASDIC and somehow knows exactly where I am. My scope was down too, so that wasn't giving my position away. Despite the fact i was just sitting in the water, rigged for silent running, and no engines even running, he knew I was there. I dove down deep below the thermal and took the boat beyond the 200ft test depth. They lost contact with me for some 10 or 15 minutes but then somehow picked me up on ASDIC again. Despite this, I couldn't shake them after that. I played cat and mouse for 30 minutes, taking the boat even deeper down to some 320ft before the hull started weakening. Back up at 300ft, and 20 minutes later with the DD's still pinging and slinging, the hull weakend and the boat was crushed. That was a first patrol, and those DD's were impossible to get rid of. It was like fighting against the british in 1944 in SH3. :(:damn: S-27 sunk on January 8th 1942 after a month at sea, all hands lost. |
Still a good deal more glorious than my worst SH4 career!
Anyway I often get the feeling that the DDs are going for me when they sweep the area ahead of a convoy ... I don't think they are though as they sometimes turn around right before getting close enough to detect me. Actually I've been missing some dedicated destroyer captains in SH4 - the English just seemed to put more back into it in SH3 imo! |
I can beat that...if "beat" is the proper word to use...first time I ever left Manila at warp speed I collided with something...a chunk of rock...a ship.. who knows? I felt very very foolish indeed. :shifty: Especially so... considering my vast experience, stature and standing in subsim history...:lol:
You at least have the consolation of departing under honorable wartime circumstances...:yep: ...nobody has ever been able to court lady luck for very long....and always win her favor.... |
My computer still makes it very hard to play SH4, but as I just recently noted in a similar SH3 thread I once got too close to a merchant, and when it blew up it took me with it...in gunnery training school!
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I think I ran into that same chunk of rock my very first time out of Manilla....lol
[quote=Seminole]I can beat that...if "beat" is the proper word to use...first time I ever left Manila at warp speed I collided with something...a chunk of rock...a ship.. who knows? I felt very very foolish indeed. :shifty: Especially so... considering my vast experience, stature and standing in subsim history...:lol: /quote] |
First, depending on your depth, you may have been visually spotted. The Pacific is rather clear, and (especially if you're playing TMO with Ducimus' evil changed) you might be seen while submerged. Also, if the weather was bad you may have partially broached, with your scopes or even the top of the conning tower coming out of the water.
Second, it seems to me that anytime you get within roughly 500 yards of an escort they just "know" there's an enemy sub around and start pinging. |
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Kind of a shame, it goes to show that when it came to diving depths, the German Uboat was by far superior to their American counterparts. I mean, an American sub that can dive down to 300ft is only 90mtrs by german standards. German subs frequently went to depths of 200+ meters which is considerably deeper. But i remember someone telling me that German subs could dive deeper than their US counterparts because they were smaller and displaced less water or something. lol |
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Been a while since I had that stuff though, so not quite certain. |
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Don't make the mistake of thinking that because the escort is pinging he knows where you are. Lots of times they ping and know nothing. Determine detection by their actions. If you are showing them a low aspect ratio they might ping away for minutes and never know you're there. As Douglas Adams would say, don't panic!:arrgh!: |
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Interesting So if both same construction AND the sugar boats smaller than a VII then should be able to dive deeper than the type 7 based on your observations above ? Must be more to it than that as S boats couldnt dive anywhere near as deep |
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http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-570ONIReport.htm Section II-B-2, page 17 And the same from the British examination: Quote:
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There is no invisibility cloak in the game. Doesn't matter if you are shallow or deep, you can be detected if you are using the wrong tactics. There is more to hiding than silent running and slow or stopped engines.
As others have mentioned, it's a frequent mistake by new commanders to assume any ping heard or change in enemy heading or speed is a detection and attack. You have to carefully observe your enemy to know if you've really been detected or not. Over-reacting can often lead to being detected when you were not. This is a misunderstood tension aspect to this fine game. -Pv- |
Not sure, but didn't the Germans use higher grade steel for the pressure hulls as well?
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The Americans did go deep to--usually by accident. the Tang went to 700 feet and survived. Test depth was 400 (Balao). The Puffer sweated out an attack for 37 hours at 500 feet (Gato Class--300' test depth). Even the old Pollock had it's 500+ foot moment, twice it's test depth! In Peter Cremer's excellent book U-Boat Commander, he tells about how they took their boats down until the "frame members began to crack". And they still got the poop kicked out of them. "Have To" was a great motivator for the depths gone to by the Germans in WWII... Cheers! Peto |
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running agaround
I too have run aground and that was at high TC. Watch out for little islands that don't show up on the map until you are zoomed in.
Even though you may repair the damage and go on, keep in mind that your hull retains some damage and will crack easier until port repairs can be done. Back to the topic of thread...I'd be interested to hear a learned discussion about the differences between the asw detection equipment among the nationalities. I am sure that all sonar and all asdic systems were not equals. I usually go deep and zig zag away keeping at 5-10 degree turns. I've found the enemy has trouble zeroing in on a turning unit. |
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